Beginner Routines Discussion (From Cerebro's Am I on the Right Track Thread

[Jeffo]

Originally Posted by Eric

But if you think all these other things aren't done by internet trainers who get paid, then you are wrong.

There's another good example. I'd appreciate it if you stopped talking to me like I'm some idiot. Any time you're ready would be fine.

Originally Posted by Eric

So I'm sorry bro, if I offended you or came off as arrogant because I really didn't mean to. I was really only asking you to clarify this businees of "training" people versus helping people on the internet because they are just two very different things.

Alright, no worries bro. All you had to do was ask.

I've only ever trained people in person, where the only assumption I make is that the person is actually being honest with me. Other things I can see. On the internet, it's advice, which means there are more assumptions involved.

Cheers,
Jeff

[Jeffo]

Sent,

Those 5 things are fine. I subscribe to all of them. Unfortunately, I fail to see how any of those things 5 things make things any better for the novice just starting out. They may make things more interesting or fun for some, and if you define that as "better" then that's great. But I fail to see how any of them will make the novice any further ahead after the first 8-12 weeks. We're talking about the first few months of training here. It's called STARTING strength for a reason.

If you want to do things in your own way, that's great. But I really don't understand how doing 2x8 is any better than 3x5, or how switching exercises every week is better than sticking to a few basic ones, or how doing a squat/bench split is better than a full body, or how uni stuff is better than barbell work for a new guy in his first few months. If you want to do what stuff, great, but I don't see how it will make you stronger over the first few months.

Originally Posted by Sent

so you want to wait till shit starts hitting the roof and THEN you want to try and work the problem out?

- I think you and I have a different idea of what we're talking about. It's called STARTING strength, and I'm talking about the first few months of training here. Not eveyone is the same mate. I'm sorry, but not everyone needs to immediately start doing GHR's, shoulder pre-hab and working the bottom half of the bench press on their first day of training. GHR's are useful and can be included if they're needed, shoulder pre-hab can be useful if there is a history, otherwise they can come in later, and working the bottom half of the bench press doesn't need to be included unless/until the bottom half of the bench press becomes a problem. Lots of people have never had a problem with the bottom half of the bench press, but you want everyone to start training it seperately on day one?

And I don't know where you get off calling me a "Rippetoe Nazi." Speak for yourself mate.

Anyways, have a good weekend!
Jeff