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well I take like 2-4000 mg a day of glucousamine and it has helped greatly but mainly I have noticed just regular exercise has helped a lot..Anyhow Kilo like I said I am a rookie and I do appreciate the link but that is like greek to me lol...If anyones got anything more simple like a diet plan like the food and work out plan I surely would appreciate it!!!

Max-Ot for the workout plan. You can start out at about 45 min., three times a week. It's free at ast-ss.com.

For cutting fat and keeping muscle, IMO, nothing beats the CKD. You can get all the info at c-k-d.com.

I do both of the above, not verbatim, I've modified it over time to better fit my custom needs, but I stay strict on the principles.

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That CKD stuff sound mighty interesting, I am going to try that when I do a cutter after may be a year. Until then I am going to be bulking.

You might have missed the fact that his joints hurt and he has arthritis. :eek: Max-OT is definately not for him.

Damn he is too young to have arthritis, better be taking shit load of that glucosammine chondroitine and SAM e. If you are trying to cut the fat down, you need to do more cardio, taking a fat burner will assist u a little bit.