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Darkhorse · #1 04-07-2006, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric3237

I haven't done DC, so my advice is worth less than 2 cents. But the only general thing I would say is that, at its heart, it's post-failure training, which I have done....although probably not as finely tuned as DC. So what I would advice is not to start this at the beggining of school! You don't know how you would respond to this until you do it, but the metabolic fatigue and the resultant mental fog could be a factor....

You obviously have good recovery abilities and you can eat plenty. So who knows....call it a general caution. It's not anything like the crap I did, which was the whole way to many sets past failure as often as possible....

I think we've all been there! :17:

Anyways, DC is hardcore, but it's not even close to a "regular" workout. There were times when I missed doing more sets or more free weights like the infamous bench press. This type of program is made for mass using the least amount of sets to do it (one). If you're not up to doing 20 rep squats with a weight that you normally do 10-12 reps with, then this program isn't for you. If you buy into "functionality" of free weights vs. machines then this isn't for you. Of course, with typical programs free weights ARE the way to go..But this program is a lot more specific with exercise selection. For instance, if you do flat barbell press with 275 and after your 8-10th rep you do a true 6-8 second negative to end on, that IMO isn't a safe exercise to try. That would also require your spotter to upright row 275 dead off your chest...Three times no less!

In regards to mental fatigue, I agree somewhat, but the constant exercise rotation is a way DC sidesteps both mental fatigue and draining your CNS. Plus, 90% can do the M,W,F setup without too much trouble. If you're pushing very significant weight that requires a ton of warmups, then you could move to the M,T,TH,F setup.

I personally like it compared to anything else. The reason that DC is different from any other "failure'esque" programs is this..Going to or just beyond failure with any given set will leave you at, for example, 9 reps, one of which was with a spot. With rest/pausing, hitting 9,4,2 RP's actually means you did a total of 15 reps vs. those 8 performed by yourself. So if you have 275 pounds pressing for both, IMO you're going to gain more significantly with pressing that 15 times all by yourself (plus combined with static and elongated negatives) than you would with 8 reps..

EricT · #2 04-09-2006, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by 0311

If I were you I'd skip this one Anuj. Realistically, the only time someone should consider DC Training is if they've been lifting to a point that their gains have pretty much plateau'd. What I mean by that is that they've stuck with regular programs over the years and have grown to a point where they don't think they can gain anymore.

I agree, but wouldn't this logic apply to Kane as well....

Darkhorse · #3 04-09-2006, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Eric3237

I agree, but wouldn't this logic apply to Kane as well....

Depends on Kane. From what I've read in his journals, he sticks to a program and sucks the gains dry before moving on. Other's leave half the food on their plate and leave...IMO that is a big difference.

To be honest, I could care less who the hell does it, I'll help them out with whatever they need. If Kane or whoever else will honestly give it 100%, then so be it. For the most part, I'll stick to my advice to anyone and say that if you haven't put a lot of time into the gym and on the dinner table, then why go through a program like this when you could realistically gain the exact same mass with something a lot more easier??

That's a question worth answering. If I could still gain mass from doing a few sets of pullups and dumbbell flyes, then I'll stick to that instead of doing an all out, intensity and failure laden working set RP'd for 20! For me, the only time I've gone past 252 lbs was on SD..Otherwise, I'm stuck at 250 eating around 7 or 8 times a day. However, if someone is willing to endure what needs to be done to make this program successful, then hop aboard.

The reason why Dante doesn't recommend anyone who hasn't trained consistantly for at least a few years (3+) is because they won't be able to generate the intensity needed for that extra 1-2 reps on your third mini RP set..Let alone being brave enough to load your 12-15 rep max on the barbell and going for an all out 20 rep widowmaker..This program will NOT work if you if you don't have the knowledge or experience. I wasn't ready the last time I tried it because I thought I needed some side laterals and an extra chest press worked in there. (I didn't

) I could continue writing examples all the way down the page but I'll spare everyone.

Most people who try this probably will either give up or drop it for something more "fun" within a few weeks anyways.

That's what actually sucks because then they will go on bodybuilding.com and bash the program!..As usual.

Kane · #4 04-09-2006, 10:09 AM

The whole DC Training is still very much up for debate. I'm looking at various routines to see which one will take me to the "next level", naturally of course. I'm used to the eating and recovery times (I think

) ,I like the structure of DC and I think it can really turn me into an animal. With whichever program I decide on, I'm going to do a "trial run" in august so I can see how it affects me, in order to adress the concerns Eric mentioned earlier. A routine change is still a bit off in the distance for me, but DC from what I gather, requires alot of prep work before you even start the program, and I'd like to get a half-assed head start on it before summer hits.

EricT · #5 04-09-2006, 11:24 AM

Honestly, Kane, it's not like I think it would hurt you, but it's like using a sledgehammer to pound a nail...

You haven't begun to tap your potential, judging by what you've done and what you haven't tried. Your going under the assumption that you would put on more muscle doing something harder than something easier at this stage.....that is not necessarily the case.

_Wolf_ · #6 04-10-2006, 02:55 AM

look.... i'm not doing DC coz i have other programs already lined up....

Kane, if you really want to do DC then all the best.... i already have a shitload of info regarding it.... but, i've chosen not to do it.... not now.....

btw, here is a quote from a very well respected member on bb.com.... it might help with this discussion...

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Originally Posted by Kethnaab

HIT is horrible for a beginner for the following reasons

1) HIT requires top intensity. beginners cannot generate top intensity. They sipmly don't possess the necessary neuro-muscular control yet.

2) Practice makes perfect. Do you HONESTLY think that doing 6 reps for a bodypart, 1 time every 2 weeks is going to help you get good at an exercise as quickly as 5 sets, 3 times per week? get real. On a HIT workout, you do a set of bench presses today, then you have to wait until the summer equinox before you do them again. By that time, you'll have forgotten how to ride a bike.

3) HIT requires you to go to failure. Have you ever seen a newb doing ANY exercise to failure? Their technique gets so ****ed up, it's almost frightening.

HIT is fine for some people, but it is TERRIBLE for a newb. It also deconditions the body and reduces overall fitness. You can't do 3 or 4 sets of exercise during the week and expect to remain in good shape.

if you ask me, i agree that a NEWBIE cant do it.... but none of us regulars are NEWBIES any more....

Darkhorse · #7 04-18-2006, 08:34 PM

Might as well revive this. Here's a very good writeup from a blog. It seems to cover all the general bases and is a good addition to anyone's library..

DC Training Blog

_Wolf_ · #8 02-06-2008, 08:26 PM

^^^ thats a very old and outdated blog...

here's a better more up to date and has a lot more articles and info on it:

http://doggcrapptraining.blogspot.com/

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