Ross, if you feel like it helps, then do it after you finish the pertinent part of your workout. Lord knows after a carbup and a full rest pause set, after my loaded stretch I'm pumped to the max.

I know Eric Brosier has his clients specifically train utilizing fiber saturation with unbelievable success.

Full training article: http://prrsguru.proboards66.com/inde...ead=1196284749

i hate being pumped and i hate DOMS.

Thanks...that's a lot of info. I kind of wanted everyone else to see the response too. I think the regular people on here know better, but it seems like too many people judge the quality of their workout on their pump.

I think I will read up on it some more since there seem to be two trains of thought. The way Eric stated it is pretty convincing though. I don't know that I'll change anything. I just wanted to know the "what" and the "why" since it seems to be a reoccurring idea that I don't recall being discussed in depth on here.

Yeah, it's totally not NEEDED, but if you've seen the movie "Pumping Iron", you'll know why it's sought after.. :D

It's like sweating or a mild case of DOMS. Just a good pat on the back sometimes.

Fiber saturation, gasp. That is just making me laugh. Sorry but "rep range training" is going to cause "metabolical gobbledygooky growth something or other. Yeah, dumbell kickbacks at 20 reps are the shit for "growth". Look, the effect of increasing the cappilary and mitochondrial density of a muscle is to simply increase the endurance of the slow twich fibers. This is WHY those rep ranges are generally considered endurance ranges. Might this have some effect on your ability to recover metabolically? Yes. In the long run. But here, what that week is would be called, ummm....a deload. If it helps it is because it allows some recovery. This is just fancy pants language to describle a way some guy likes to train. Don't think it's "science".

Nothing much is going to happen to your "cappilary density" in ONE week anyway. And then by the time you come back to it it has already started going away. WHY? Because the effect of standard resistance training is to DECREASE the density of these oxidative factors. Hello!

Sorry, this has nothig to do with the question at hand really I just thought that was some rediculous sounding stuff. It it works for people it works, it's the perception of WHY it works that will cause some confusion and have many spinning their wheels when it DOESN'T work. If you don't understand what the heck someone is talking about, chances are it simply doesn't make sense.

Edit: Eric, I'll throw the explanation up at his other thead and see what he says.. I'll omit most of the sarcasm.

http://forums.musculardevelopment.co...=17951&page=12

LOL, I'm going to be attacked by people I've never met before. Again :D.

But you know my thing is not the program. I mean, what counts is the results you get. But what I object to is SELLING the program a lot like supplement companies sell sups. So that you can think that this is so much more credible than something else based on pseudo science jargon. And the "placebo effect" is actually at work a little bit in training too. It looks good on paper so people percieve great results and then a couple of years later it's just some thing they got excited about.

I hate to bring up my own mistakes, haha, but I got pretty excited about "pendulum training" and now I consider it one of the biggest wastes of time I ever had. I could name some others but I won't :biglaugh:

To be truthfull I use a 15 to 20 rep rep range on certain things for certain reasons. Plus I've been doing a weekly circuit using 20 reps for a bit now. To help me metabolically so that when I do those lung busting type exercises I can recover better hopefully. It's just that I don't try and tell myself it's anything other than what it is. And the reason I choose around 20 reps is that is is of a low enought intensity that it doesn't constitute a problem other than the metobolic recovery for the most part...meaning, thoughl at first just on circuit completely kicked my ass!

But if I want it to make a difference it has to be a regular part of my training. Not just a week at a time becasue your body doesn't hold on to fitness changes that long.

Without looking too much into the program I guess you could sort of compare it to a medium, light, very heavy kind of bodybuilding thing? With the "shock" stuff it's hard to categorize what is what. I didn't really get too much past the 20 rep kickbacks, lol so I can't really say too much about it, honestly.

If anything brotha, I'll get banned for being a troll. :)

But in the future, you're gonna have to read the whole thing so people don't take what you're saying the wrong way. I thought you read through the whole program.. Becuase I thought it is good to go. But if you get down to science, I'm hurtin'. :D

I was trying to stick to the part that related to "fiber saturation" because that is this new way of saying "pump". Which in itself sticks in my craw because I view it a sort of cover up since so many people no longer go by the "pump" So they call it something else that sounds sciency. I usually do read through everything you know but that was the part I thought that was related to the question of a growh effect you might or might not get from a pump.

I did try to make it clear that I wasn't saying whether the program works or not but I did not make it clear that was not reviewing the whole program...sorry for that, bro. Actually, for a change, I was trying to stay on subject!

Yeah, that's what I meant. I put that into the thread that you thought it worked, just the explanation was a bit off (as per the link).