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Old 03-14-2007, 09:34 AM
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I forgot to ask... is there something specific that I might have done wrong that would cause that strain? I can't find an edit button for posts, is there one?
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Old 03-14-2007, 09:45 AM
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Yes, deload for DL's.

On the strain you'll have to see how it feels. It is not something you want to mess around with. Read the first part of the injuries thread.

Provided they start light enough most people shouldn't be getting injured on this. But I'm also reading about you heals coming up so there could be problems with major strength imbalances, flexibility imbalances, form problems, things like that.

There is a squat article in the training articles section which is good to read. Having a strain this early on (not that you should get one later either) makes me think you should perhaps drop the Rippetoe for now and go with lighter weights higher reps and get used to the exercises. That's unusual advice for me but hearing about a potential injury I think it's warranted.

Your thinking on the weight training helping with fat loss isn't far off. High intensity full body things really increase fat buring after the fact so they can help in that regard. But the high frequency and intense nature of Rippetoes.....I wouldn't want to be on a caloric deficit with it. It is all about recovery. I'm not saying it's worthless but it will seriously undermine the effectiveness of it.

And are you doing lots of pullups and pushups? Because just losing a certain amount of weight isn't going to guarantee anything
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Old 03-14-2007, 11:19 AM
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There is a squat article in the training articles section which is good to read. Having a strain this early on (not that you should get one later either) makes me think you should perhaps drop the Rippetoe for now and go with lighter weights higher reps and get used to the exercises. That's unusual advice for me but hearing about a potential injury I think it's warranted.

Your thinking on the weight training helping with fat loss isn't far off. High intensity full body things really increase fat buring after the fact so they can help in that regard. But the high frequency and intense nature of Rippetoes.....I wouldn't want to be on a caloric deficit with it. It is all about recovery. I'm not saying it's worthless but it will seriously undermine the effectiveness of it.

And are you doing lots of pullups and pushups? Because just losing a certain amount of weight isn't going to guarantee anything [/QUOTE]

I got rid of the heels problem today, I had a form issue the first time. I'll read the injuries thread, I feel like an idiot because I'm part of another forum where noobs come in and ask stickied questions over and over and I believe that's what I just did Oh well. Anyway, what kind of program would you recommend, did you have one in mind? And yeah, pushes and pulls galore
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Old 03-14-2007, 11:25 AM
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"Deloading" the bar onto the ground in between reps, for rows, is called JS Rows. I would use those.

A deadlift is called that because you're lifting a dead weight. So yes the bar would be completely stopped and on the ground before doing the next rep.

Refer to the injury sticky for your hamstring. It depends on the severity, if it truly was a strain then I would've stopped squatting and iced it.

*Edit* When I hit the 'first new post' button it brought me to the bottom of page 1, so I didn't see the posts on page 2
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Old 03-14-2007, 08:15 PM
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BTW, there are those who will assert that the so called Pendlay or JS row is a barbell row and always has been and that nobody has a right to put their name on it or for their name to be put on it. I.E. it was always proper to deload the bar. I don't know the history of the exercise but let's just say the little birdy I heard it from I respect enough that I will henceforth decist using the term Pendlay or JS rows and just call them barbell rows (that's how I always do them anyway ). Cuz I hate it when someone pins their name or gets their name pinned on something they had nothing to do with inventing.
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Old 03-15-2007, 05:53 AM
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As usual, I was using JS because thats what I was told and thats the easiest way to search them on the site. I didn't know your convictions were so strong but it gets me thinking about whether I should call them JS Rows....
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Old 03-15-2007, 06:23 AM
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No this is a new thing call it a personal preference. It's just I've noticed this internet thing where we have people's names all over stuff that come to find out has been around forever. Or they swtch out an exercise on a time honored routine and call it the "insert name here" version. That stuff just bothers me And it causes people to be led to misinformation whereas if they were given the proper source in the first place....
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Old 03-15-2007, 02:57 PM
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Well the hamstrings are feeling decent today, I can still feel them but not nearly like before. I'm going to give it another go tomorrow, and just back off if they start giving me crap. I've read that the recommended rest between sets is 3-5 minutes, depending on the exercise. Do I really need to wait this long? Or will I see the same gains with a bit less rest? (maybe the few more pounds I can squat/press/etc with longer rest is significant? Probably...thoughts?)
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Old 03-16-2007, 11:50 AM
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Personally, I think 3-5 minutes is a bit too long. I would go for shorter rest periods (as long as you are able to properly perform the exercise) and heavy weight. That being said don't overdo it and reinjure yourself. My 2 cents.
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Old 03-20-2007, 04:06 PM
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Take a wider stance on your squats. I'm a taller guy as well and have to go much wider than shoulder width, almost as wide as the rack with toes pointed outward. Some people also stick a plate under their heels, although i dont know if its advised.

For deadlifts, make sure the bar doesnt bounce off the ground.

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