Is Popular Opinion Wrong About Treating Injuries?
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03-29-2007, 03:18 PM
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Of course you should post entire abstracts. They're not that long and I didn't say anything against posting it all and can't imagine why I would.
For some reason you keep misconstruing things I say and I'm sorry for that. I'm not saying your posts are too complicated I'm just saying the formatting may have mixed me up a bit.
And you haven't seen the full article actually which I was going to talk to you about, since there is a TON of useful info in there and quite frankly it's a lot of new stuff for me and I'm going to go over it with a fine tooth comb and hopefully refine the sticky.
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I don't think Eric should have to be walking on egg shells either. Iron, if you post only the cut and pasted "highlights" of some studies that reinforce your opinion without posting the whole study (whether or not it reinforces your argument), its potentially misleading. Eric didn't "jump all over it" trying to "show you up". He's just trying to maintain the integrety of the thread.  People aren't stupid, and I'm sure 95% of this forum can follow along with a whole abstract.
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4. This debate has consistently refocused off the topic to other peripheral topics such as my personal credibility, my purported discourtesies, my lack of "knowing a newbies place", my lack of disrespect to well-established members, the frustration I supposedly cause by not interpreting things the way my opponent does, my writing style, the good-natured jabs that I use to keep things light interpreted as insults, my lack of use of "smilies" so that I don't offend, my use of highlights and underlining that make it difficult to read what I post, etc., etc., ad infinitum, ad nauseum.
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Why do you continue saying this? I've just reread the entire thread and noticed sometimes you don't take into account what Eric posted lol. I admit I'm usually guilty of doing that to others as well, but I can understand some of the frustration. Additionally, I feel #4 is aimed at Eric, but I think Sentinal was the only one who brought up the respecting issue and "knowing your place" along with some other bullshit. Those have all been deleted, so it's obviously not a "cry to arms!"
I'm staying neutral as always. Differences of opinion are great. Just make sure it stays in the thread. Obviously if there's a War that spills in every other thread, then we have a problem LOL!
Realize that neither one of you is going to sway the other, no matter how many abstracts get mounted up. This was intended for the forum to form their own opinions, because the both of you already made yours. If you guys keep it to the facts without worrying about minding the P's and Q's, that'll serve the purpose of the thread IMHO.
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03-30-2007, 07:58 AM
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Thanks.
Well, as I said I plan on updating the sticky. Probably on ice and heat. I'll do it as an addendum designed to be more specific on everything. It may take a while since I have to comprehensively look through a lot of new data.
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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.
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03-30-2007, 09:59 AM
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I've sent you a PM Eric.
What say we just let this thread drop as it is? It's degraded to a personal battle and I apologize for my part in it. We've long since stopped focusing on the subject and are focusing on each other's way that we debate. Let's forget it and go on.
I think we can both say the same thing that you do about having to repeat what I say over and over. We do that I believe because each of us interprets what we read differently. No problem, that's why we debate. Let's assume and I will that what we say is not meant vicious but can be taken as coming from a good heart.
Sorry for getting so pissed about the editing thing. You must know by now that I hate getting caught! 
I saw it though as you doing what you've asked me not to do-get personal and it upset me more than I should have let it. I'm sure you saw it as doing what I've asked you to do and yes I would've called you on it too. My apolgies and let's let bygones be bygones. Cool?
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OK I will post complete articles if that what everyone wants. It's not necessary in science journals to do so though. Actually it's sufficient in science journals to post abstracts-edited down versions for simplicity's sake. That's what abstracts are-edited versions for the sake of brevity. I always post the references anyway just as the journals do, which is what that is supposed to take care of. It gives anyone that wants it the info do read it all for themselves. So even when you post what you think is the "entire" study, you're not. It's already been "edited" by the journal. You're just editing what's already an edited version. Complete texts are always referenced in science journals and I do it here as well for those who want to read the same thing. So what's the point? But for the sake of argument I'll post the whole thing..I agree, It can appear misleading to those who don't know this.
I'm cool and hope you are. Sorry again. The other threads we're involved with are going fine. Let's focus on those. I think we've sufficiently beat the living crap out of this one! Huh?!!
Iron
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03-30-2007, 10:07 AM
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A quick thanks to you as well 0311 for mediating in a professional unbiased manner. I appreciate everything you said and promise to keep it all under consideration.
Iron
P.S. ever get tired of babysitting adults who should know better?? LOL!
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03-30-2007, 01:27 PM
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This is why I love this board. It's very respectful and gentlemen like. I mean, yeah debates can get a little heated but you guys just impress me. On other boards people would be dropping F' bomb after F'bomb and just getting out of hand.
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03-30-2007, 01:32 PM
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This is why I love this board. It's very respectful and gentlemen like. I mean, yeah debates can get a little heated but you guys just impress me. On other boards people would be dropping F' bomb after F'bomb and just getting out of hand.
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It could be my reputation for having an itchy trigger finger LOL!
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03-30-2007, 01:37 PM
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It could be my reputation for having an itchy trigger finger LOL!
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HAHAHA
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03-30-2007, 02:17 PM
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^^^^^LOL.
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OK I will post complete articles if that what everyone wants.
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I'm not saying, btw, and I don't think 0311 is saying you need to post entire articles. We just mean the entire abstracts. I certainly don't always post entire articles (although I try to provide a link to them when I can). A lot of the text of studies is greek anyway. I tend to only post them when I am personally capable of understanding them Most of the time when people say study they mean abstract. I think....
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03-30-2007, 03:24 PM
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Just can't quite let it go, can ya?!
That's what I love about you! After all, I was just trying to post the part I thought you would understand!! lol j/k !!
Ok let me get it straight..No FULL studies right? But you DO want FULL abstracts..right? or is that only if I also display the link? or is it the other way around?? or maybe it's....!!
..and no editing out the part that doesn't go along with what I'm trying to say, right? THAT'S gonna be the hard part!
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03-30-2007, 03:37 PM
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I think if you read what I said very closely and carefully you will see what I was saying It was just a friendly clarification.
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