ok thanks for the answers, thats good to hear that you train the back

sorry about that other post, i was in a bit of a silly mood :biglaugh:


btw i have an idea on how to isolate the back stabilizers... what if you have a really strong neck and you put the back of your head on a pilates ball for example and do neck exercises... surely then you work with your back stabilizers??

You would work some back stabilizers in that case. You would have to be extremely careful not to hurt your neck. Not a good idea IMO.

that makes no sense to do. Do squats, back and core work and you work your "back stabilizers".

all right how do you do core work?

This will help with cores:

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Squats/deads both work your core. Some guys do weighted situps to help with that.

nice:biglaugh:

wow.... um.. do you even know what a core is?

You need to do some research on Everything because it is obvious that you have not done your homework at all. Read the stickies and articles on lifting then go onto google and start reading the basics on lifting. Just spend a couple of days researching so you at LEAST know the basics.

^^^ agreed

What you are talking about-about supporting yourself on a ball-is similar to wrestler's bridges, only you lie on the floor, and make an arch shape with your back. It seems like it could be painful. For your lower-back-including the erector spinae, lay stomach-down on a rest with your legs held down, and lift your upper torso. If that is too easy, hold a plate, and do them this way.