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I'm just now coming out of that phase where you go to the gym and try and lift as heavy as possible... :-/ In fact, i was about to customize my diet right now. Unfortuneately my gym is closed today and tomorrow. Siiiiiiiigghhh....

I think most of us are like this, I know I fall into this cat aswell..... Funny to, because back them all we (my friends and I) thought about was trying to out lift the other guy, but not even thinking about legs..WTF were we thinking??? sure am paying for it now

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yeah that shit might work all well and good at 16, wait till your 30.

If its working then stick with it, but when you start pushing 300+ on any of the big 3 compounds, you will want nothing more then to nap for two days after a good workout.

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^^^^Yeah. You know this is why I am so adamant about telling everyone when they first start out to concentrate on basic movements and a good strength foundation. And I know 0311 feels that way. The fact is you can get away with a lot of stupid stuff as a newb and you may not get the results you otherwise would have, but you will get results and it won't kill you. Unfornutately some of that lack of foundation and that missed oppurtunity can catch up to you, and some of it you may never get back causing you to never be able to reach the potential you otherwise would have.

I know a lot of people won't believe this. It'll be like, pick a program, everything works...and it might. But it's like jumping into an icy river. You may get across but if you don't have a plan you may also die of hypothermia once you do.

Yeah. It's all about the intensity you are able to generate and how costly that is to your body. The fact is if you can manage what you are doing and actually make progress, which I actually doubt, then you are lifting on a novice level after two years of training. That's all there is to it. But here's the rub I was speaking of....it IS possible to fuck up enough so that you never reach that 300 plus level. It may be you shoulders or other chronic injuries. It may be weaknesses that you can't seem to overcome. Whatever. But it can and does happen.

Hell, I feel I am damn lucky to have reach the level I have, and it was MUCH harder than it should have been. But I am paying for that progress with a lot of little nagging problems, and that didn't have to happen either.

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.

I stole this from another article in the DFT sticky.....
"Training is seen as catabolic, draining the body of its necessary nutrients and fun stuff. So to grow, according to the theory, the body must then be rested for the appropriate/ optimal amount of time, AND, it (the body) must be supplied with all the nutrients it lost. If both of these things are done correctly, then theoretically your body will increase protein synthesis and store more nutrients than it originally had! (i.e. – your muscles will be bigger!) ".....Matt Reynolds

Just curios what is your training routine like?

Ok, well, I'm not JUST NOW coming out, but i'm realizing how much diet plays and such. I was TRYING to cut for the past few weeks but sorda said f*ck it after a lil bit. At the same time i was sorda doing a half assed 5x5. Before that i was doing 3-5 sets, starting at 10 reps and going down to 3-5. Every set i would either try to do more reps w/ the same weight or the same reps w/ more weight. And i'd always try to start w/ more weight. At least thats the advice some big mothatrucka that works at GNC was telling me about when i asked him what he takes and all. I start tomorrow and planned out my diet for the most part. Although I'm not to sure whether i want to do 5x5 or DC. I think im gonna start a thread bout that.

(this was posted a while ago by me)
i just turned 16 i am 5'11 and wieght 157 pounds
(1 rep) bench max: 260
parallel squat: 285
power clean no jerk: 190
clean jerk: 165
pullups: 25

i work out every day. day 1, all upper body pushing muscles. Day 2, all uper body pulling muscles and abs. day 3 legs and lower back. and all over again.
( i combined day 1 and 2,
day 1

Bench: 3 sets of 12 reps 175-195

lateral raises both hands at the same time: 3 sets 12 reps (35 lb dumbbells)

lateral raises hands in front one hand at a time: 3 sets 12 reps (30 lb dumbbells)

db soulder press: 3 sets 8 reps (50 lb dumbbells)

Cable Flyes on the Flat Bench. 3 sets 8 reps (its a machine)

tricep pulldowns: 3 sets of 10 ( machine)

bent over tricep extentions: 3 sets 15 ( 25 lb dumbells)

standing skull crushers one handed with dumbel: (25 lb dumbells)

day 2

wide grip pullups: 3 sets of 12-15

reverse grip pullups close grip: 3 sets of 12-15

lat pull down: 3 sets of 12 (160 lb)

seated rows: 3 sets of 10 ( machine)

Backwards flyes: 3 sets of 15 (machine)

bent over (2 handed ) rows: 3 sets of 15 ( 45 lb dumbells)

bent over ( one handed) rows: 3 sets of 8 ( 65 lb dumbell)

one handed hammer curls: 3 sets of 8 ( 45 lbs)

preacher curls: 3 sets of 8 (machine)

reverse curls: 3 sets of 8-12 (95 lbs)

abs: 3 sets of laying down leg lifts with turns, 3 sets of knee lifts on dip machine, 3 sets of ab machine.

day 3

wide stance squats: 3 sets of 10 (225 lbs)

power clean no jerk: 3 sets of 8 ( 155 lbs)

leg extensions, leg curls, squeeze legs together and opposite, but all on machine.

(i do alot more excersises now)
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every day at night i work out my forearms using a pbc pipe a string and weight and rolling it one way and the next day the other way(dont know what thats called), when i do the bottom part of my forearm i also grab my curl bar and do wrist curls. i alternate between the top side of my forearm and the bottom side of my forearm every day. to end things off i squeeze my grips 3 sets of 40.

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i have wrestling mondays wendsdays and fridays and judo on fridays after wrestling. i dont take any supplements besides protien shakes and multyvitamins (only when i feel tired). i eat a slightly above average amount of chicken, bread, beef, potatoes, milk, vegtables, every day. i eat no fruits or candy. i have about 2-3 junk food meals a week such as halepeno popers or pizza. i run 4 times a week: 3 times at wrestling practice and one time on sunday which is the only day that i dont work out.

(again this is old but is somewhat what my life looks like)

also, when i stop lifting and excersising i gain wieght like crazy, i dont really know why, but i think it is because i eat the same but just dont burn the callories

I believe that weight you gain from not working out for a while is your body trying to grow. With you not resting at all, your not allowing enough time for growth, all though you are putting up a good amount of weight for your age. But seems weird you can put up that much weight but only weigh 157 for being 5'11"...

^^^Thats called having good internet stats Scorcher