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Ok, sorry about my last post guys. I understand. Just please know that I am trying to learn and be patient. Some of you have attitudes and it doesn't help any.

Thank you all so much for your help.

Ok now notes from Day 1 yesterday of starting StoneWarriors schedule!

My legs are killing my so bad, especially my groin from the deadlifts. I thought they were supposed to work your back? When I did them I felt it in my back, but today it is really killing my legs. I did all four exercises. I am so happy!

Also one more thing. What if I can't do four days? I will try and do that last day, but I can only do it on Sunday because of my religion. I usually only can do 3 days but I will try my best.

Thanks so much! I am feeling the pain! Lol.

firstly, no one here has an attitude problem ok...? get that clear.... those of us who are helping you are going out of our way to help you.... we dont owe you shit and there's no fucking compulsion to help you....and those of us who are helping you arent idiots... 0311, Eric3237, hrdgain81, RoryL, Kane, verbatimreturned, ChinPieceDave667, etc have proved themselves to know their shit..... so dont accuse people of having "attitude" problems over here.... i see your posts and it really looks like you dont read or do ANY homework from your side at all.... i think YOU need to have an attitude change rather than anybody from bb.net.. we clear...?

secondly, if you cant do 4x a week its ok... here's a program i came across which if the rest of the people here dont mind, might help you out..
http://www.bodybuilding.net/training...e-ny-2111.html

also, lets say you want strength along with mass, then you can attempt Mark Rippetoe's Starting Strength for Beginners Program..... its supposed to be excellent for beginners like you... i have attached a word file for your convenience below...

also, Kane apparently used to be like you... if you ask me, you should contact Kane and ask him for advice because he's had awesome gains on the programs he's attempted... infact, here's a quote from his journal:
i think he'll be able to give you some good advice on weightgainind....

everyone here's trying to help you out... sometimes people get mad because of some posts of yours (example: your previous post) and you have to learn to deal with that if you want to be set on the right path....

and i'm done lecturing... hopefully, i've been of some help to you...

best of luck

Anuj

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Ok, which of these three, but also StoneWarriors program, do you all think I should do?

I am not riding you just listen, keep what you want and throw out what you don’t, it is that simple. There are tons of programs out there that should give you results as long as your DIET is correct. I was the one in the Marine Corp. who was sent the fat bodies to lose fat, and the skinny boys to pack on some size. Training intensity, rest periods, number of reps and cardio are all ways you can tweak a certain program to achieve a specific result. It just depends on what your specific goals are. To make things even easier for you I created a beginners workout in an Excel format with a calorie tracker attached. All you have to do is enter you max for the four primary lifts and the program will calculate an entire 16-week schedule for you; I have used this on Marines with great results. Let me know if you are interested, if so I’ll e-mail it to you. Good luck.
And thanks Anuj, who’s Pete?
PS If I seem grumpy its because I'm an Old Fart :-)

I will think about it, but also could you reply to my post? The one about my results from yesterday?

I think you are talking about your legs being sore. The dead lift works the legs and the lower back that is what I was talking about developing a stable base or core. Your legs are sore because you admittedly do not work legs so you will feel it more in the legs than the lower back you probably are really feeling it along the hamstrings, am I correct? You need to be careful with this especially since you are new to it, think about buying a belt and use it. And S_T_R_E_T_C_H_! Before and most important afterward.

Make sure your form is correct or deads can eat you alive
Sore groin=Pointing Toes outward too much? You'll never see muscle gains if you're in physio :P

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I'll have to disagree with that. You need to use moderately light weights until you can make sure you have the form down. But if you want to build a stable core you don't need an artificial stabilizer doing it for you. Belts are good when reach a certain point or when you are going for PR's but IMO they will detrain your core stabilizers when overused making you more prone to injury without the belt. You're not a pro powerlifter.

There is an article on deadlift in the Training Articles section you can read.

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.

I'm with you on this one. I personally won't touch a belt unless deadlifting over 450. A2G squatting should always be raw IMO as well. I know tons of people who rely on belts/wraps/knee wraps/ect waay too much. I can tell because when it's time for them to put some 120 lb dumbbells on their knees for incline presses, they almost bust a nut trying to deadlift them off the floor!

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This kid just jumped in yesterday and started doing dead lifts, that made me nervous for the simple fact that he does not have a clue at this point what he should or should not be doing, how much weight, number of reps and so on. The fact that he just jumped in there makes me think that from everything else I have read from him that he is a little to eager and is going to go out there and hurt himself before he has a true understanding of his own personal limitations and when he should and should not use a belt. If I am right he will be on his back real soon unless he slows down and learns a few things before he gets to crazy with this. I think for him unless he gets a training partner who knows what he is doing that can help him it would be very smart for him to use a belt on dead lifts and squats. When he gets comfortable with these new lifts he will naturally take the belt off on the lighter weights as everyone does. The thing is annoying as hell and is not needed by experienced lifters until they hit their really heavy sets. The back is not anything to play with and for him it will be a useful training tool at the beginning to help prevent a useless lifelong injury that he would always have to live with, I know I have a 5mm herniation in L5 from the Sergeants course in El Toro when it was still a Marine Corps base. It put me on my back for 2 weeks and 6 months of physical therapy. Jag you do what you want but I know I am right, get a training partner with experience or put on a belt. You can always take it off when you have good form and confidence that you are doing it right. You cannot re grow a vertebrae, disk or spinal cord.