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Pity I don't think he really meant he has bad knees...he was simply dismissing lower body work with a smart ass statement because he's not hearing what he wants to hear.

Guys...really. It's not in the details. It's in the big picture. Can you not see that picture emerging?

Is this it..I want to look like a lean and mean athletic machine except not have to train like one?

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.

I did lower body all summer with my brother (starting line football player) after 2 months, my knees still hurt EVERYTIME i did squats. Not worth it.

I can curl my weight, and bench twice it. Don't tell me about not wanting to do hard work. Big picture--I could care a less how my legs look. I have no need in real life to be able to leg press massive amounts of weight. If my legs can carry the weight my arms can lift...I'm fine. I lift because it's fun. I have certain goals in mind, they OBVIOUSLY are not yours. I didn't ask for help on making YOUR goals. I asked for help in reaching mine. If you don't want to help, then don't bother commenting.

I'm an electrical engineer by trade, and if someone asks me to design a computer chip to control a cell phone, I'm not going to tell them to build a fax machine. A fax machine MAY be better, but it's not wanted.

I asked you a question designed to help your zero in on just what it is you want so that you can then plan based on that and then GET results. Which is what you wanted.

You gave me a one line answer that contained VAGUE goals. Confirming what I said. Be strong. Look fit.

Had NOTHING to do with my goals and everything to do with helping you find yours. Not until I provoke you do you come through with the real picture.

Or at least some of it.

If you want results you have to have clearly visualized goals and a clearly visualized plan of attack those specific goals.

Being strong may have very specific definitions to any one person. If a big bench press and curling your bodyweight is what you consider strong, more power to you and I'm fine with that.

However, it is still not clear what you want. I wanted to help and would have but that would require you to answer my questions after giving them some real thought. Probably you wanted quick easy answer to vaguely defined questions.

I think a cell phone, computer chip, and fax machine are all VERY specific compared to anything you've said. And you say that as if I have made suggestions...which I have not.

Good luck on your curls though. And you computer chip.