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What you typically see is that gross weight moved is maxed by large body mass, but that a higher weight to strength ratio is common in smaller guys.

I train with a 400lb semi-pro football lineman. "Big Tim" can absolutely manhandle a 300lb log press. Which is all fine and dandy becasue that is 75% of his bodyweight. By comparison I can also manhandle a 150lb log, and I would be willing to bet that I can knock out more reps than he can at 300lbs. We aren't talking about a weak guy, he is athletic and strong. But while his body mass allows for some benefit, it is also a liability.

Look at top end lifts in any sport and compare ratios in weight classes. The above statements become VERY obvious.

As usual I can't understand what your are talking about. I really don't mean to be a dick with you, Andrew, but I just don't get you. Relative strength is just a relative tool. I'm not sure if your agree with me or are disagreeing or what. It's like you just always have to throw in something a little contradictory but it doesn't have anything really to do with the post you respond to. We are talking about absolute strength measure to body mass and the reason I posted it was to EXPLAIN why Siff said that. Relative strength is still a progress measurement tool for ANYONE and how many reps you can do is a whole different thing. It's really not personal it's just perplexing to me.

I thought I was agreeing with you hahahah. This is fun!

LOL, M, we do this all the time! I knew you were agreeing I just like to fuck with you sometimes (after all, I owe you ).

I was actually responding to hrdgain's post about wanting to be small and strong not big and weak. It had nothing to do with your post at all.

Ok then. That explains that. We are all posting over each other. Since your post followed my posts and since you mentioned strength to weight ratio, I didn't know it was in response to hrdgain. I detract my earlier post. My apologies for that little tirade

Not a problem, I should have quoted.

Of course andrew, there is a benefit to being larger for some, for me personally, I'm as big as i would like to be. But in my head i always feel like I can be stronger.

It really depends on your goals, and what exactly you need to use your mass or strength for. For your friend its obvious that being larger is to his benefit for football. For someone like myself (a martial artist) its important to be strong, fast, and have a decent amount of mass, but not have it hinder your speed or mobility.

No matter what there are trade offs, you just need to find which ones are acceptable to you and your goals.

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I don't do this for my family, my friends, women, accolades, pride, or ego. I do it for me and no one else, its just part of who I am.

AC, I just hope you haven't taken to ignoring my posts altogether given our history . But it happens all the time when people are posting all at once.

I don't think I have anything productive to add to this discussion