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Old 10-13-2006, 10:20 AM
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Wow! I am amazed at the rude and dismissive attitude you guys have displayed toward a newby lifter. Discouraging new lifters through insults doesnt get people to ask questions it stifles them.

If you guys are so advanced that you cant answer a simple question anymore then dont answer the simple questions anymore. Let others do it, sans insults. In the time it took to insult the OP ya could have just answered the question.

You owe the OP an apology.
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Old 10-13-2006, 10:30 AM
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Maddax, did you bother to take the time to look though the other threads. You think people are being paid here to do all the "work" for newbie lifters. Lots of people went out of their way to post very helpful and infromative things for jags. He never indicated that he did any of the research or reading that people pointed hime to. He never answered any of the questions about his training. He never responded to an answer except to ask more questions or for more answers, i.e. "who do I listen to". He has been spoon fed over and over and the reason people have stopped helping is he doesn't seem to want to do his part. You know "help me help you"? No one owes him an apology.

I'd suggest you go ahead an answer his question if you want to experience it for yourself. BTW, in case I am missing something what is OP? Maybe you were kidding and forgot you smilies. If not I would suggest not to jump to judgement or give in to "knee jerk reactions" before you consider what is going on.
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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.

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Old 10-13-2006, 11:54 AM
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Eric3237

Of course I didnt check the posting history of the OP (original poster). I never understood that to be a requisite to posting.

I read the post (which was aptly titled btw) and took note of the elitest attitude of some of those responding. I thought then and still think now that those types of demeaning remarks have no place on a message board. That is hardly a case of "rushing to judgement" it is a legitimate observation.

There were some responders that did point him in the right direction, but some responders were downright rude.

My mama always said, "If you cant say something that will be perceived as positive, progressive and intuitively helpful..." (I forget the rest, but I know it pertained here. (I left home at an early age))

I dont want to belabor this issue. I do think you guys are very helpful and informative and normally quite patient. Maybe thats why these responses seemed so out of place.

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Old 10-13-2006, 12:30 PM
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maddax. without knowing something do not open ur mouth.

ur entire argument is baseless. the ppl of this forum do not OWE the OP any damn fucking thing. if all of us decide NOT to help him: u cant do anything about it.

if u feel this board is too full of "elitest attitudes" then please do not post here. u are firstly arguing with a senior member of this board: eric and u have no business to to assume ANYTHING without doing ur own research. u have made 2 posts so far and u have already screwed ur impression.

if u are as "holier than thou" as u claim to be, then you should have first asked "why is everyone bashing this kid" rather than coming into our home and telling us "how DARE u ppl bash this kid".

and if u feel this board is too "elitest" for someone of ur high caliber, then please do not visit us. we are not losing out on something by ur esteemed absense.
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Old 10-13-2006, 02:01 PM
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LOL, Anuj, bro, calm down. You keep yelling at everyone who disagrees with me and pretty soon you'll be fighthing with 90% or our members . j/k.

Maddax...OP: original poster. Good shorthand. I'll keep that in mind.

Of course checking over posts is not required (although helpful) but there are times when considering other people's points of view is helpful.

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If you cant say something that will be perceived as positive, progressive and intuitively helpful..
Wow. That's a great though but a pretty much impossible order. Why? Because of the word "percieve". To me, that's what you are missing here. You percieve what has been said as rude and elitest. I percieve that people have actually continued to try and help by pointing jags back in the right direction. Or get him to do some reasearch on his own. I can understand where you are coming from and I would love it if always being gentle, polite, and patient would help everyone. But it doesn't always. Many times what you'll get is spending a whole lot of your time being gentle, polite, and patient while the person you are trying to help just continues to bleed you without ever engaging in a "conversation" and attempting to get from point A to B. The fact is some people need a kick in the ass and while you may percieve it as rude they are still trying to help. Sometimes you have to teach people how to learn before you can teach them. It is a question of style and perception, but not of intent. Sometimes people go overboard, I agree.

Hey ,a couple of us layed into Sentinel pretty good when he first came on, and look at him now, defending us tooth and nail. Hell, I still lay into him on a regular basis . Just kidding, A.

I have asked several questions of jag aimed at getting information from which I could form SPECIFIC advice. I NEVER recieved an answer of any kind, let alone a "flat out" one. He posted a question on an HST routine that was completely layed out saying he didn't understand it. People came back saying "what's not to understand?" A legitimate question. No one knew what he wanted explained, since everything was explained. He abandoned the post. There are many examples. I've seen this before and so have the other posters. He doens't want an answer, he just want's people to tell him what he wants to hear. Probably all we would have gotten was a "bump" for more responses.

So, again, I invite you to respond to his question if you see fit.

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Old 10-13-2006, 04:05 PM
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Whoa Sentinel! You have really sunken to the occasion. Cursing me and telling me that I am not allowed to disagree with another poster is somewhat juvenille.

The impression I got from reading the orignal post is a valid one and I stand by it.

My point was if some juvenille nut case asks ridiculous questions is it better to respond with belittling and demeaning statements or would it be best to just not bother to say anything and let the thread die. I opt for the latter.

Eric3237 I appreciate the offer to respond to the OP but in view of the history you presented I dont think it would be of any benefit to the OP.

Perhaps at this point it would be best to just let THIS thread die.

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Old 10-13-2006, 04:21 PM
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My point was if some juvenille nut case asks ridiculous questions is it better to respond with belittling and demeaning statements or would it be best to just not bother to say anything and let the thread die. I opt for the latter.
Are we voting on it? I say keep it going. It's a stimulating discussion .
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Whoa Sentinel! You have really sunken to the occasion. Cursing me and telling me that I am not allowed to disagree with another poster is somewhat juvenille.
i thought u were grown up and all-knwoing. hey "sir" u missed my point completely.

u know, when most ppl come into a forum and post for the first time they dont want to get into fights. if they do, it looks really foolish. atleast most adults who are matured dont do that. but hey: u r the exception, arent u?

i mentioned above that u missed my point. u know which one? no? let me repeat myself then. perhaps it was too subtle for someone as matured as u to percieve:

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if u are as "holier than thou" as u claim to be, then you should have first asked "why is everyone bashing this kid" rather than coming into our home and telling us "how DARE u ppl bash this kid".
moving on:

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The impression I got from reading the orignal post is a valid one and I stand by it.
umm...is that supposed to mean something? coz i surely do not understand what it means? or wait: are u trying to say that i should feel "something" for ur "impressions"? either way: i dont care what ur impressions are/arent.

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My point was if some juvenille nut case asks ridiculous questions is it better to respond with belittling and demeaning statements or would it be best to just not bother to say anything and let the thread die. I opt for the latter.
again: i dont care how u feel i or anyone else in this forum should react. but, id still like to rip ur argument apart: u say no one should respond and let it die? it was dead till u decided to poke ur nose in it. so why did u not take ur own advice? hmm.....caught u must be the fact that ur matured.

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I appreciate the offer to respond to the OP but in view of the history you presented I dont think it would be of any benefit to the OP.
then why are u responding to this thread? ur so full of hypocracy. must come with the maturity, huh? damn: am i glad im not matured **coughs** *hyprocritical*

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Perhaps at this point it would be best to just let THIS thread die.
Are we voting on it? I say keep it going. It's a stimulating discussion
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Old 10-13-2006, 10:25 PM
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Sentinel

I'm sorry I never wished to start a "fight" I merely posted an observation. Eric3237 provided (eventually) some additional background information that explained the antagonistic responses the OP evoked with his questions. It was the tone of those responses I was criticising, suggesting instead that it would be more mature to just ignore the poster or let someone else respond to him.

You are "ripping up" arguments and statements I never even made. Holier than thou? Where did I say or even imply I thought that? Where have I been hypocritical?

Apparently you feel the need to defend Eric3237 for some reason. I dont think that is necessary. He has done well defending his own views I believe, even if we still dont agree.

Now, I think I'll take a page from my own book and just not respond to you anymore. This is getting way out of hand and is not resolving anything.

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