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i read the original thread. it is clear what your problem is. you can't do programming worth shit. you need to check your ego at the door and lift properly. get your form right. have you bought Rippetoe's books? if you havent, please do.

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good luck

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More reasons why bb.com sucks. People telling you to just eat more when you have a gut. Kinda worthless advice.

I think your biggest problem is your hangups. You are so focused on deteils. "what I want". "what I don't want". You need to find a way to bring up your strength base. For a guy like you THAT IS THE KEY. You're focusing on little areas of muscle and esthetics but you've been trying to do strength/mass routines. Your ATTITUDE when approaching these type of things is CRUCIAL. I'm always saying this but I don't think most people really get it. It's not just what you do it's the way you think about it and approach it.

You take the wrong program and approach it with the RIGHT attitide and you will get better results than the guy with the perfect program approached with the WRONG attitude.

In your mind you were convinced that SS was too much. Now maybe it's not the right routine for you. Maybe you need lower frequency. But nothing will work if you convince yourself it's wrong. You will not put that extra effort in. You will not plan properly. You will sabotage you own results to satisfy you convictions.

In the other thread you were saying things like "squatting every workout is too much for the nervous system". Preconceptions. What's too much is too much. The idea that a novice will fry his nervous system is silly but if a novice is hung up on notions like this he will not succeed.

You don't want you mid back to look like a powerlifter? Do you really think at this stage and with these results that is something you need to even consider? This all comes down to expectations and attitude, I'll bet. You have to want it. You do a strength/mass routine you have to want strength/mass. Not just shoulders and abs. What applies to Brad Pitt and Chriss Angel, both of whom have resources and time you don't, doesn't apply to you. Not that you have to work all that hard to get body's like that. Hell, I'd definitely consider that a vacation. I'd just do more fat burning and beach work.

Anuj said you didn't program properly. It could be that you didn't run the program right. That you didn't learn the lifts. Etc. It could be you need less frequency but the fact is you are consistenly coming in with preconceived notions and all sorts of unrealistic limitations and expecting people to change their advice to suit you attitude instead of you changing your attitude to accept the ideas.

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.

check this out:

(cliff notes from other thread)

Experience with Starting Strength Program = 1 year +
Deadlift Max = 275 lbs
Squat Max = 225 lbs
Bench Press Max = 125 lbs

also, if you look closely at his posts both on bb.com and here, you will see how he keeps hopping from topic to topic never finishing a thought process which he has started. i honestly sense some trollish behavior.

Could be. I hate to accuse.

Weird totals. Anyway, the questions are all way too general to bother with...which is why I didn't try to answer any of them.

Eric, then what is the correct attitude?

Trolling? Huh? I only have two posts on bb.com..

I'm reading Mark Rippetoe's book right now, starting strength. On page 6

Thanks again everyone, your help on straightening out my mental / physical errors are commended upon.

Oh and another thing, how can I expect my biceps or triceps to grow if I'm not doing any exercises to stimulate that muscle group? My arms remained totally skinny throughout SS, only recently did my arms get bigger when I started doing barbell curls and tricep exercises.

Just popped into my head as I'm reading mark's book.

hehe reading on..

Biceps and triceps isolation exercises suck for adding serious mass to your arms, IMO. They best compliment the heavy compound movements. Presses are great for adding size to your triceps. Pull ups and rows are great for adding size to your biceps. When doing SS, you really don't need to do much in the way of accessory stuff like that.

If your form is bad, you will still get somewhat stronger. There is a specific form for each exercise for a reason. Bad form puts added stress on areas where it does not belong. As you get stronger and add more weight, the stress grows and eventually you will get hurt. Something will break or tear or pop or snap.

So what should you do? Focus on good form. One of the hardest things that I have had to overcome is developing good mind-muscle connections. I think it is hard as hell to have good form if you can't feel the muscle that you're trying to work when you're lifting. Can you feel the muscles that you are targeting when you're doing a specific lift?

And back to the whole diet thing. That's the most important part. Are you getting enough calories? Specifically protein? From what you said, you eat somewhat clean. But it's got as much (or more) to do with quantity than quality. Post your diet.

Oh, and the BEST indicator of gaining muscle is this: an increase in strength. If you are getting stronger, then you are getting bigger.

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How exactly does one go about developing a good mind-muscle connection? Can you go deeper into this?

Also, I was previously told I can't program worth shit. Which is true because I don't even know what "programming" is...

Here's been my most recent diet.

Workout day:

Meal 1, 6:30AM ; multivitamin, 3 egg omelett. White potato hash browns. 1 cup oatmeal + raisins. 1 glass oj, 1 glass water, (somedays OJ = whole milk) an orange and sometimes two wheat waffles with syrup.

meal 2, 9:30AM; [I'm at school so this meal kind of sucks] 1 chicken breast sandwich on wheat bread with lettuce and BBQ sauce. Usually I'll have something small with this like trail mix, a banana, or a granola bar.

meal 3; ~11:30AM same thing, another bbq chicken sandwich with an apple.

meal 4; 1PM varies. usually a good protein meal though, typically a tuna sandwich with brown rice and broccoli + whole milk. maybe a home-made cheeseburger instead of the tuna sandwich (should I stop putting cheese on?)

3:00 PM preworkout I drink 1 scoop of whey and hit the iron.

IMMEDIATELY after workout [when I go to my car] I eat 1 banana and drink another whey scoop.

When I get home around 4:30 I don't eat a meal until,

5PM meal 5, varies. sometimes it's spaghetti, corn, whole milk, broccolli. other times it's brown rice, chicken breast, vegetable soup, maybe green pea soup instead, wheat toast. another time it was orange chicken with that asian fried rice and a cup of whole milk + an egg roll.

7:30PM meal 6, usually not even a full meal. I make myself peanut butter on a single toast bread, drink some whole milk, grab some turkey and crackers, and a yogurt.

10:00PM bedtime. I drink1 scoop of whey and take flax oil, then hit the bed.

Meal 1 - Cut out the hashbrowns and syrup
Meal 2 - No BBQ sauce
Meal 3 - No BBQ sauce
Meal 4 - No cheese
Post workout - two scoops of whey and some better carbs...bananas are LOW GI
Meal 5 - Whole wheat spaghetti...orange chicken has a lot of sugar in the sauce. Fried rice is jasmin...again, high GI. Egg roll = high GI + lots of bad fat.
Meal 6 - What kind of crackers? They're probably high GI. Is it plain yogurt? How many grams of sugar per serving? What kind of bread?

Just getting rid of the syrup, BBQ sauce, cheese, egg roll, and orange chicken eliminates a bunch of shitty carbs and bad fats. It adds up. I mean if you eat like that every day and you're over your maintenance calories, then you're probably going to be adding more fat than you need to. I am nitpicking the hell out of your diet BTW. But just to prove a point.

Oh, and get in protein at every meal. Your meals after your workout don't always have protein in them. These are some of the most important meals of the day..........

I will find some stuff about mind muscle connections when I have time...studying for exams right now though. I hope, I hope, I hope that someone else beats me to it though.