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thegw 01-31-2008 03:31 PM

Weight gain/diet advice needed!!
Hi im new to the forum and have a question that relates to my kickboxing training and thought you guys would be ideal to ask:

Im used to fighting around 69kg, perfect for my division of under 70kg, im around 5'10' i think. Over the past few months i have REALLY cleaned up my diet, im very disciplined with saturated fats and carbs after lunch, but eat very well with fruit, vegies, brown rice, yoghurt, eggs, meat etc.

I train very hard. Skipping/bagwork in mornings throughout the weekdays, then a 6km run every weekday then kyokushin or kickboxing class every weekday. Training 3 times a day, and also do situps throughout the day as well, light riding on sat/sundays. I have really leaned up and 'ripped' up a bit, and im REALLY happy with my fitness and endurance diet gives me good energy levels too.

HOWEVER, i jumped on the scales and to my horror im at 64kg!!! This is far too light and i want to get back up in weight. Can i gain weight whilst maintaing my fitness/endurance and 'lean' muscle? Suggestions please...fighting in two months

Can i simply add weights and more protein or will i have to back off the cardio? I realise i shouldve cycled my regime but too late now...

any help greatly appreciated

Kane 01-31-2008 06:08 PM

You've cleaned up your diet for months, of course you'll drop a bit of weight. If anything you dropped mainly fat and not much muscle at all. Hit the weights and keep your protein intake up, you should be able to get close to 2 or 3 kilos in 2 months from a lean bulk. You can back off cardio a bit, but with a fight on the horizon your conditioning is important.

thegw 01-31-2008 06:22 PM

ok i will do that. go for heavy lifting? I was thinking of replacing two of the runs atleast and putting in 3 weights sessions?
Ive done a little research and read that its suggested i should eat 2-3grams per ounce of my body weight...correct?

Ross86 01-31-2008 07:02 PM

2 grams of protein per lb of body weight. Which would be a totally different number in kg.

EricT 01-31-2008 07:59 PM

If Dave comes on whatever he says may trump this but if you feel good endurance wise, strengthwise etc and you think you could perform with that then I would go ahead and add in more carbs in a controlled way also. Protein is not steroids :). But it could be that just adding back in the carbs, if you do it carefully, will get your muscles holding more gycogen and thus more water (in the muscles not "bloating") and so get your weight back up pretty quickly. Obviously you don't want to put on fat so you'll have to put the carbs in the right place. Do you not do any weight work?

iron_worker 01-31-2008 09:08 PM

2 g protein / lb of body weight = ~ 4.4g protein / kg body weight

thegw 01-31-2008 11:23 PM

i have carsb in my diet, i eat corn and other vegies in the morning and also brown rice. also get bits and pieces elsewhere, i cut carbs and felt my energy go dwon so i put them back in.
so going off the formula i would need around 286grams or protein a day!? I definately wouldnt have been getting that.
Im adding in weights 3 times a week and hit the gym today.
This may be a ridiculous question however: If i load up on protein rich meals a day, could i still put on fat? Ie. can unused protein/calories still be stored as fat? For instance if i ate a lot more whey powder and protein, does your body just expel the stuff it doesnt need or will it still store it as fat eventually?
Also, what is the max amount of protein your body can take in in one meal?

thanks heaps for the help so far

EricT 02-01-2008 05:38 PM

It ultimately comes down to calories in and calories out so anything can eventually be stored as fat.

I wouldn't worry too much about how much protein you can take in at once. Just worry about getting it all in. Several small frequent meals are usually better than a few big ones.

We have an MMA forum, btw. This thread might do better there. Or the nutrition forum. If you'd like I can move the thread to either on but leave a redirect here.

ChinPieceDave667 02-02-2008 09:13 AM

All info is pretty much on. Make sure that it is 1-2 grams of protein per LEAN pound of body mass. I like to think of it like this, you want to feed the muscle not the fat and that is why I like to stay within the lean body mass.

Like Eric said about carbs, you need to add little amounts at the right time. Diet is about consistency and with combat sports the more consistent you are the easier it is to adjust and find the problem areas.
Could you give us a break down, in calories, pro., carbs., and fat, of what your diet may look like. It will give us a better idea of where you might want to adjust.
For me this is what I've read to do and done to put on a little more weight:
Add some carbs During your workouts. Try an extra 20-25 grams per workout session and see what happens in a week. Then if you are still not gaining the weight you might want to add about 5 grams of health fat to each meal that is not a workout meal.
But first I would need to see what your diet looks like now in order to adjust properly.

As for working out. Look at some of the MMA workouts listed in that section. You can add 2 or 3 heavy lifting workouts but just make sure you are going to get rest and don't over train. Also, I have a journal for Strength Endurance that utilized heavy lifting at a cardio pace. This could help in gaining some muscle and still maintaining your endurance.

TALO 02-02-2008 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by ChinPieceDave667 (Post 47751)
All info is pretty much on. Make sure that it is 1-2 grams of protein per LEAN pound of body mass. I like to think of it like this, you want to feed the muscle not the fat and that is why I like to stay within the lean body mass.

How do you go about figuring out your Lean body mass ?

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