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Old 07-15-2006, 01:15 PM   #11
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I'm about 20 minutes from starting my leg/back workout, but so far after this 1st week of bodybuilding, I've noticed that I'm leaning out while my arms are gaining mass (everyone's dream right?)
My weakest point right now is obviously going to be trying to do a lat pose... don't really have ANY lower lats, but the shape and cuts are coming into play very nicely.
I'll prolly use Hydroxycut only during my cardio/abs day b/c while Hydroxycut Hardcore is doing its job incredibly well (it does what the ads say it does, dropping bf% rapidly while sparing muscle), I found that I'm always hungry, so I have to eat almost twice as much as normal, if I don't drink water while using it I feel extremely fatigued, and it gave me insomnia!!
Other than that, I'm glad I chose to prioritize arms first b/c even though it really is a beach muscle, making my arms grow bigger has motivated me to make other things bigger. Honestly, I'm being a bit narcissistic right now, but my overall goal is to be able to compete in some bodybuilding contest within 5 years. I tried doing a volume-low workout, but it's not for me, maybe when I get better at lifting. Right now, I'm gonna stick with what's working... volume heavy and super-high intensity!
The only problems I've faced so far is that doing all this has hurt my social life. I've told my friends my goals, yet they keep trying to make me deviate from the "road" by always wanting to go somewhere to eat (i.e. Chili's or Mexican food places) and playing video games. Oh well, they're still friends, right?

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Old 07-15-2006, 02:44 PM   #12
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My weakest point right now is obviously going to be trying to do a lat pose... don't really have ANY lower lats, but the shape and cuts are coming into play very nicely.
Just a friendly piece of advice...LOWER Lats are the same as LOWER pecs...you can't isolate them from the rest of the muscle. So you have no LATS, but heavy pull-downs will help alot and so will BB Rows (JS or otherwise)

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Right now, I'm gonna stick with what's working... volume heavy and super-high intensity!
Although many people here don't really like this style of training...I have seen alot of growth from this type of split (not necessarily the routine, just the split).

But keep in mind that intensity is inversely proportional to volume, meaning that as volume goes up, intensity must go down. So a super high intensity for this routine will be a low intensity for ,say, a 5x5 program.

ps. I've used the term "intensity" in the same context as the post...Intensity is a measure of how close you are to your 1RM...so just as an fyi, doing bicep curls for 2x20 will be very low intensity. I understood what you meant but its just one of those terminology things.

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Old 07-15-2006, 04:24 PM   #13
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When you're first starting out just about anything should work well for you providing your diet is adequate.
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Old 07-21-2006, 10:06 AM   #14
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When you're first starting out just about anything should work well for you providing your diet is adequate.

Wow, maybe I should forget weights and just jerk it all day, alternating hands of course.
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Old 07-21-2006, 10:30 AM   #15
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Second time you've taken an attitude with me. What I stated is just a basic fact. I'll stay out of your journal. It's your loss.

If it's joking you don't know me well enough to take such liberties.

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.
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Old 07-24-2006, 10:58 AM   #16
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Second time you've taken an attitude with me. What I stated is just a basic fact. I'll stay out of your journal. It's your loss.

If it's joking you don't know me well enough to take such liberties.

Thanks, this IS a journal, right? I'll learn all I need to learn about the art of bodybuilding in time, but that's also the second time that I've viewed your comments more along the lines of trying to destroy my motivation than constructive criticism. Yes, it's true that certain workouts are printed in magazines purely to sell the magazines because they promote "beach muscles," but beach muscles are still muscles and I read all I can about kinesiology, physiology, timing of nutrition, the latest published scientific research on supplements and/or training techniques, other people's ideas (in real life and online) about their training philosophies who are more advanced than me, the latest published books on fitness, workouts that pro bodybuilders use, etc.

of course it is a basic fact that the first week or two of weight training will cause your body to adapt to the new stress forced upon it, but you gotta know that I come from a competitive tennis background, meaning I'm not new to working out, just new to lifting weights. I used to do pushups, pullups, crunches, etc. (bodyweight exercises) then just moved into weight lifting and stopped playing tennis. Thank you so much for your consideration of deciding to stop posting in my journal, if there's ever a question I want answered I will post one and ask specifically for you to answer it.

"If it's joking you don't know me well enough to take such liberties"

wtf??? you posted in MY ONLINE JOURNAL! Keep in perspective that this is more like notes to myself more than questions to be answered (with the exception of getting my training split right). personally, I'd like to look back on this journal to see how far I've come since I began lifting. Yes, it was meant to be a joke. No, I couldn't care less about earning "liberties" to worry about how my comments online affect you. Sorry if I hurt whatever feelings you have, but don't ever post in someone's journal except if it's constructive criticism or something positive.

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"When you're first starting out just about anything should work well for you providing your diet is adequate."

"This is just more of the same shit you always see in those mags with a different name. When you're just beginning, your "priority" should be the big multi-joint (compound) movements for TOTAL body growth. These magazine write stuff like that cuz it sells. People want to do 'beach' work so they give them what they want.

You say prioritize and 90% of your weekend warriors are going to prioritize arms, the same way people always have first starting out. You tell people what they want to hear and they'll buy more mags"

1. I'm not a "weekend warrior" I train 5 days a week with cardio every other day at 70% MHR and a maximum of 45 minutes
2. Anything working well starting out should be motivational; then ask how to break plateaus
3. I had to begin prioritizing something, I just picked my weakest area: arms. Would you have been more satisfied if I chose to prioritize my hamstrings?
4. I still make multi-joint (compound) movements my staple exercises in every workout
5. "Beach muscles" such as arms still need to be huge, symmetrical, proportional (relative to the rest of your body), and have awesome muscle separation and striations to win shows
6. I'm not in this for the short term, I'm doing my best to grow proportionately throughout my life. Think about it: when your arms are proportionately SMALL relative to the rest of your body, wtf do you think should be the focus of your workouts? I don't know about you, but I don't feel like having (exaggerated numbers) 100 inch thighs and 13 inch arms

I don't think I'm gonna post in this forum again, I'll just browse the posts. I don't feel like having to explain myself in my own journal, I'm sure other beginners who have questions will post the questions I have, too and mature users such as 0311, Kane, etc. will post answers I seek.
(as if I'll be missed, I only have 16 posts as of this last post)
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Old 07-24-2006, 11:34 AM   #17
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I'll learn all I need to learn about the art of bodybuilding in time
ha ha... lol... u dont need a journal for that...!!! just go lift weights for 40 years and at the end of it you'll probably know what worked best for you - provided your still alive.....

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I read all I can about kinesiology, physiology, timing of nutrition, the latest published scientific research on supplements and/or training techniques, other people's ideas (in real life and online) about their training philosophies who are more advanced than me, the latest published books on fitness, workouts that pro bodybuilders use, etc.
1.) eric is wwwwwwwaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more advanced and knowledgeable than you...
2.) pro bodybuilders use a SHITLOAD of drugs (i think as a beginner you might want to skip this)

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if there's ever a question I want answered I will post one and ask specifically for you to answer it.
he doesnt owe you an answer......

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I couldn't care less about earning "liberties" to worry about how my comments online affect you.
how old are you kid ???

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don't ever post in someone's journal except if it's constructive criticism or something positive.
when you "look back" on this shitty program and dumbbass journal, you'll notice how constructive it was....but by that time you'll probably grow up as well...

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I'm not a "weekend warrior" I train 5 days a week with cardio every other day at 70% MHR and a maximum of 45 minutes
so WHAT ???

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Anything working well starting out should be motivational; then ask how to break plateaus
what does motivation have to do with plateaus..???

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I still make multi-joint (compound) movements my staple exercises in every workout
good...

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"Beach muscles" such as arms still need to be huge, symmetrical, proportional (relative to the rest of your body), and have awesome muscle separation and striations to win shows
so what are you getting at...???

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I'm not in this for the short term, I'm doing my best to grow proportionately throughout my life. Think about it: when your arms are proportionately SMALL relative to the rest of your body, wtf do you think should be the focus of your workouts? I don't know about you, but I don't feel like having (exaggerated numbers) 100 inch thighs and 13 inch arms
at the rate at which your going, i doubt you'll even have 13" arms....lol, go read the stickies....

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I don't think I'm gonna post in this forum again
good...

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as if I'll be missed
chill...i guarantee you wont...

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I'll stay out of your journal. It's your loss.
it sure is....

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oh, and one last thing Sutiiven:

ppl start journals to track their own progress and to take advice from more experienced and / or knowledgeable ppl than themselves...

i started my first journal when i was 17, and i've had my share of arguments with Eric, 0311, Kane, etc...but in the end, if i look back, i know that i came out as a better and more knowledgeable person thanks to them....

so dont feed me bullshit about not wanting members to post in your journal and if they do u decide not to post anymore on this board..!!! if you didnt want feedback on your program, you should've stated that in your first post itself (not so late to edit)...

when i read my very first posts on this board, i laugh because i had a SERIOUS attitude problem....but right now, i know when i look back, how much i've grown as a person....

i went from doing bi-weekly programs to following programs for over 7 weeks...!!! and how?: thanks to the flak i got from Eric and 0311....i could've easily told them to fuck off and leave me alone, but hey: i was smart, i used their advice and here i am: better than before

i dont know why you have such an attitude problem Sutiiven, but i agree 100% with:

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1.) When you're just beginning, your "priority" should be the big multi-joint (compound) movements for TOTAL body growth.

2.) When you're first starting out just about anything should work well for you providing your diet is adequate.

3.) If it's joking you don't know me well enough to take such liberties.

4.) I'll stay out of your journal. It's your loss.
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Old 07-24-2006, 03:38 PM   #19
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I'm sure other beginners who have questions will post the questions I have, too and mature users such as 0311, Kane, etc. will post answers I seek.
Its good to see my reputation is getting better and better on this site

ps. Take this for what you will Sutiiven....but Eric was more or less (from the way I read his post) commenting on my comment

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Although many people here don't really like this style of training...I have seen alot of growth from this type of split (not necessarily the routine, just the split).
If you glance at the thread "Kane's Training" you will see the routine I was on when I first came here (as a newb seeing great results from ultra high volume....not saying youre a newb lol) and then maybe the post he made will make a little more sense. Just my 2 cents in this heated debate lol
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