Ok let me post this and tell you guys just how dumb I can be... this has to be one of the all time winners for beginner mistakes...ready... Ok let me understand that a "rep" is one time up and one time down withe weight correct? simple huh...and a "set" is a giver number of reps, so far so good right?. well no...I been doing it all wrong, I been killing my self thinking i was doing it right...heres what I was doing for the last 5 months... I'll use bench press as an example warm up then do 5 -10 reps 5 times and call that 1 set then do that 5 times there were morning I was doing 150 reps on the bench not to even mention the squats, dead lifts, barbell curls, and rows... I think this may be part of the reason for being so tired. as for the 17 HD, I like it. I started the routine you (Eric) re-posted from 0311's original post on wednesday I really like this routine I feel like there is a direction to the workouts now, now if I can learn to count to 5 all by self I probably won't feel so tired. i started eating 6 times a day, its not so bad one you start to tink about what your gonna have to eat for the day.