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Originally Posted by Eric3237
Maybe if you're overtraining you have severe metabolic deficiencies, digestive problems, some tumors and a brain disease. Let me know if you need a consultation and i'll tell you what sups to take
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lmfao
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Originally Posted by Eric3237
Stuart McRobert is a smart guy but he is not the only source of good training info. Sounds like someone needs to branch out.
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u think??? with tr****e by his side he needs to more than just "branch out"...may be he needs to branch elsewhere....know what i mean?
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Originally Posted by Eric3237
This article would have you believe that if you plateau on an exercies you're "overtrainiing". Or that you need to "fully recover" to grow. Well that would really mean that everybody who ever had success on a 3 day full body or a 4 day upper/lower must have been imagining it. Because you don't "fully recover" from workouts in those time spans. There is alway some accumulation of fatigue on a program. His definition of "overtraining" is completely inaccurate. There is not much knowledge of training theory manifested here that I can see.
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none at all....
as per his theory it would be next to impossible to do HST, DC, 5x5, etc....which is shit because even HIS programs have carrier over fatigue...
i guess the only program he would approve of would be Mentzer
u know, this dude posts some crazy shit over at chemicalanarchy
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Originally Posted by Eric3237
How do you know if you're ovetraining? Chronic soreness in joints and muscles. Not like DOMS but more like a deep ache. Loss of coordination. Loss of strength. Insomnia. Loss of Appetite. Depression. Anxiety. There are more I can't think of right now. Kind of makes it sound like overtraining is a more serious matter than "overdoing" it on one program in the gym.
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oh...to be honest i had no idea over training affects coordination and depression....hmm.....did i get depressed and lose 15 lbs in 15 days because of over training?
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Originally Posted by Eric3237
You can overdo it on a program, accumulate a lot of fatigue, stop progressing, maybe even come close to injuring yourself and as long as you listen to your body and take it down a notch, deload or even take time off, you will not have overtrained. Simply over-reached. You will still have gotten gains if you ate and slept enough and will come back probably with more gains.
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examples include (which i have done): hst and mark rippetoe's starting strength....dc is still to be confirmed
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Originally Posted by Eric3237
Recovery is not necessary for growth to occur.
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of course not..then brian haycock would look like a fool, no? i think IA is a fool if he making Brian look like a fool..
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What is don't understand is if IA thinks that either everybody is trying to emulate the routines of highly advanced, genetically gifted, steroid laden builders and not growing or doing super wimpy, ultra conservative abbreviated routines with low frequency and succeeding. There are all sorts of people having great success in the realms between that.
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hold on...even arnie's program can get u GREAT gains if u reduce the volume a bit...i should know because i did his program for nearly 4 months...and u know how difficult it is for me to stick to a program for 4 WEEKS
but i get ur point....IA is referring to 2 extremes of the prism and discarding the interim...
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Originally Posted by Eric3237
I'm honestly kind of sick of these articles. He would have you believe a program is a failure if you plateau on it. It's bullshit. That would mean every 5x5 i've done was an overtraining failure. Certainly not the case.
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actually, thats being hypocritical because one of his programs is a modified 5x5 and right now he has released a 5x5 + westside hybrid. so i dont think he knows what he's talking about..
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Originally Posted by Eric3237
OVERTRAINING is a LONGTERM SYNDROME. What he describes is overreaching at worst. You push yourself for months and months without results and continue adding and adding while your body breaks down and you ingnore it, you need an intervention not an article.
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oh....MONTHS???? then i dont need to fear....i need to be on a program for MONTHS for me to stagnate and still push myself
enough jokes.
eric: u r right. this article is shit. btw, if u want to see IA getting his ass KICKED u need to go to bb.com and read a thread there.....its fucking amazing...even the mods of bb.com whooped his ass....it was fun....
actually there's this dude there called Dominik and another guy called Defiant1...both are in their 20s but they are EXTRAORDINARILY knowledgeable...and they ripped apart IA...actually, Defiant1 ripped him....it was fun coz the mods backed Defiant1 and no one took IA's side....if u want the link, let me know..
and damn, i go to send u 2 emails....shit...why am i procrastinating on them ??? so unlike me