Oh, I know, every time there is a thread that has any mention of a pump in it someone comes along and quotes Arnold . Yeah, you know Arnold and his Phd in physiology...

Don't even get me started on liquid creatine. The last two tests I saw over at consumer lab on them...NO creatine found.

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.