When I say I didnt see much fatloss from them, I dont mean I didnt drop fat while using them. I just didnt see anything that would suggest that fatloss was excelerated, I feel like I could have lost just as easily without them. Everyone is different though.
I don't do this for my family, my friends, women, accolades, pride, or ego. I do it for me and no one else, its just part of who I am.