Originally Posted by Riddick
seriously though, when i look back in my journals i am seeing my self applying the SDT concepts instinctively when i felt that my form was becoming a concern due to the weight on the bar. but i've never really applied them consciously. I believe that it isnt just the influence of Rip at work here but also my lack of progress using bbing style workouts for so long that i think i rejected any notion of the concepts of double or triple progression as being an effective part of planning my program.
Absolutely, I totally get that and I understand exactly how you could feel that way especially since bodybuilding training can be both complicated AND unproductive. You follow those blind alleys long enough and there is almost a self protective backlash against anything that may seem less simple than it should be even though in reality it is dirt simple.
Of course most of these type of discussions are going to come back to Starting Strength because that is such a huge influence both there in the past couple years and in all the forums. But I recognized that people have their own reasons for doing things and we don't have to blame everything on Rip. Just most of them, lol.
But I'm not saying that even SDT is the "best" thing to do and I actually DON'T think a beginner should program all the lifts that way because there are the needs of the program AND there are the needs of the lift. You have to balance them somehow. But it's nothing very complicated or over-thought.
I take SDT and try to make it a thing that people can use in some kind of one step to another way. But that doesn't mean I think it's the only thing to do.
Actually it's kind of the opposite. People put a lot more thought into rationalizing how their particular cookie cutter is so very magnificent then you actually have to to just train, lol.
Originally Posted by Riddick
all that's running through my head the last 2 weeks is oh god not ANOTHER back off and ramp up,
Yeah I know. And that's important. People don't think that affects your progress. It is one of the most important things there is. How can you expect to make any headway when you dread the very process of it and what's more when that process has you going backwards rather than forward a good bit of the time? The more I thought about it the more ludicrous it sounded in my head.
As far as all that "when I'm intermediate" stuff I think it's just another mental trap. It's kind of silly to think that someone is supposed to keep training like a beginner until the bar decides he's an intermediate at which time he is supposed to keep training like an intermediate for even longer.
Do you learn to walk by just keeping on crawling until the day you can crawl an arbitrary distance and are allowed to walk?
You know I have a newsletter and in the last one I wrote about doubles. Basically saying why they are good and why do them instead of singles or doubles, etc..and I said that if you are ready for lifting heavier but still don't feel you're at the level where you can use singles they are a great way to get started. Then I explained briefly how to do that.
Looking at the stats there are a handful of people opening that letter dozens of times. Just probably over that doubles part. And it's not because of doubles per se I can guarantee you. It's because it's like they suddenly think "I'm allowed to do that? Holy shit, I don't have to do the same old thing?". A big light bulb and epiphany moment by just saying..you can 1. lift heavier and 2. have fun doing it.
I think that one thing we have to be on guard for is what people present as 'fact'. Because usually what they present as fact is assumption. Assumptions are fine but they have to be REASONABLE assumptions. But you do not build a whole training philosophy on assumptions because they WILL fail no matter how reasonable they are. They only fit the narrow circumstances you are using them for.