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Old 07-12-2007, 08:57 PM
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Thanks, brew Often times I just get bored and read too much

And yeah, the choco pp is a toughie. That's the hardest flavor IMO to get to mix well with additives other than water or milk. There's so many variances in flavor from brand to brand.
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Old 07-13-2007, 10:37 AM
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^^ gotta agree, you know your shit, your as big of a dork as the rest of us over here
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^^ gotta agree, you know your shit, your as big of a dork as the rest of us over here


I'm far from an expert though. Just a gym junkie with a penchant for reading and research ;)
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I would strongly suggest not using milk in your shakes, especially right before bed. Thats a lot of sugar right before you knok out for 8 hrs. Then again, hunt0r, you dont look like you have to worry about fat gain too much from your avitar, so it might work just fine for you.
12g of sugar dosent seem like much to me.
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Old 07-17-2007, 07:20 AM
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12g is what 8oz? I agree that doesnt seem like much, but I dont see anyone using only 8oz to mix a shake with. Plus there is some akward action going on with milk, eric and I discussed it at length in previous threads, but basicly there is something in milk that causes an odd insulin spike that isnt nessisarily related to the sugar content. I previously believed it to be the lactose content, but I am not sure what it is honestly. It could go either way, so I just avoid it personally.
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ya per cup (8oz). That's all I use, then if it's too thick I mix water.. I agree that too much milk isin't the best. I never new about the insulin spike.
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Old 07-17-2007, 12:32 PM
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^^^^^^Just read a big old study. Guess where the most potent insulin secretion from milk is coming from?

WHEY OOOPS!

Here's the end of the study:

The results of the current study show that milk proteins have
insulinotropic properties, with the whey fraction being a more
efficient insulin secretagogue than casein. It remains to be shown whether the insulinotropic effect of whey and milk depends on an optimal and rapid postprandial release of certain amino acids to the blood, the release of a bioactive peptide, or an activation of the incretin system, particularly by enhancing GIP secretion.

Also, the potential long-term effects of a noncarbohydrate–mediated insulin stimulus on metabolic variables should be evaluated in healthy persons and in persons with a diminished capacity for insulin secretion.
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Whey by itself is much more potent insulin wise than just the milk.

I wouldn't get to caught up in it unless your diabetic. Like I've said before we are getting insulin spikes all over the place but in this case you'd be better off with just the milk and not the shake! Casein is less potent according to the study but it does have a insulin affect. Proteins in general do.

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/80/5/1246
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Old 07-17-2007, 12:45 PM
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^^ your suggestion then grand puba?

I suppose I was off the mark, I'm glad your posted up on this one eric. I also stay away from it cause i'm lactose intolerant, but thats another issue. What i'm wondering here is if whey has that large of an insulin spike associated with it, will that be compounded by say dex/malto in a pwo shake? Its been said that there is roughly a 45min window post workout where you dont really need to worry about nutrient partitioning, but this may suggest other wise, no?
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No, no, dude. You weren't off the mark. This is just the first time I've seen anything measuring whey vs. milk. Like you said, we didn't know for sure what it was caused. Now we do for the most part. You know me, if I have info I'm not going to keep it from you.

On the other issue I wouldn't worry about that at all. I think in reality you have a lot more time than that and regardless, the benefits outweigh the worry if you ask me.
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