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Celebrity Ufc In The Works: Rogan Vs Snipes
View Poll Results: Who would win in a fight.
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Joe Rogan
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Wesley Snipes
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11-27-2005, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ChinPieceDave667
what you see in a movie is just that, it's def. not practical. I don't think Snipes would pull any of that..
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No, I'm sure he doesn't mistake the movies with reality.
Even someone like Jackie Chan, who was trained in the Peking Opera as strictly a "performance" martial artist would tell you the movie fighting is entertainment and bares no resemblance to real world martial arts.
Anyone who has actually been kicked in the face, as I have (I had a broken nose) to prove it, will tell you that a kick is a very effective weapon when weilded with descretion, power, and speed. But even a kick specialist is not going to throw 40 kicks in a row in street fight or whatever.
My uncle, who holds a master's belt in Shotokan Karate, could easily take out someone with a kick. I watched him take out two guys outside a tournament in Mobile when a fight broke out. And the range of technique in Shotokan is relatively limited, although allowing for unlimited permutations. In the real world, you kick the average guy in the head, and the fight is over.
But what 0311 has said is still pretty much right on the money. I've been around enough fights to know that there are basically two kinds. Two people pushing and circling for show, and then grappling and rolling around inconsequentially, both people just trying to avoid being hurt. Or, two people pushing and circling for show, and then one or two punches thrown and the fight is over. Someone goes down - or may as well be down for all the fight that is left in them. And yes, I'm talking about the average guy who thinks he's a martial artist.
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11-27-2005, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric3237
No, I'm sure he doesn't mistake the movies with reality.
Even someone like Jackie Chan, who was trained in the Peking Opera as strictly a "performance" martial artist would tell you the movie fighting is entertainment and bares no resemblance to real world martial arts.
Anyone who has actually been kicked in the face, as I have (I had a broken nose) to prove it, will tell you that a kick is a very effective weapon when weilded with descretion, power, and speed. But even a kick specialist is not going to throw 40 kicks in a row in street fight or whatever.
My uncle, who holds a master's belt in Shotokan Karate, could easily take out someone with a kick. I watched him take out two guys outside a tournament in Mobile when a fight broke out. And the range of technique in Shotokan is relatively limited, although allowing for unlimited permutations. In the real world, you kick the average guy in the head, and the fight is over.
But what 0311 has said is still pretty much right on the money. I've been around enough fights to know that there are basically two kinds. Two people pushing and circling for show, and then grappling and rolling around inconsequentially, both people just trying to avoid being hurt. Or, two people pushing and circling for show, and then one or two punches thrown and the fight is over. Someone goes down - or may as well be down for all the fight that is left in them. And yes, I'm talking about the average guy who thinks he's a martial artist.
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I think we are all in agreement on this subject about real world, movies, and ring fighting.
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11-27-2005, 04:20 PM
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Jean Claude Van Damme got his ass handed to him in a bar fight. Actually, for stand up nothing beats those Thai fighters. I've read somewhere that they took 5 of the very best Chinese martial artists (kung fu, karate, ect.) and put them against the best Thai fighters...Thai kicked the shit out of all them. Half of it due to conditioning, and the other half because they have 5 or 6 moves in their arsenol that work the best. When I got a week of liberty leave in Thailand, they told us to never enter the ring against any of them. They have rings everywhere, a lot of them out in the open with a bar surrounding them. The Marines say that even though they look like 12 year old boys, they'll kick your ass in less than 10 seconds!
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11-27-2005, 04:22 PM
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found him and another
the guy is David Loiseau, and he is awesome. not only are his spin kicks bad ass but his elbows are every lethal.
http://www.ufc.tv/index.cfm?fa=fighter.detail&pid=292
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UFC 53: Heavy Hitters (6/4/2005): Loiseau defeated Charles McCarthy by TKO set up by a beautiful spinning back kick in 2:10 of the second round.
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also, a welterweight by the name of Georges St. Pierre, who just so happens to train with David Loiseau, has done some spin kicks in some fights and landed.
http://www.ufc.tv/index.cfm?fa=fighter.detail&pid=330
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11-27-2005, 04:24 PM
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I know one guy from canada that KO someone with a spining back kick and flying knee.
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One whole guy! Noone enters the ring with a gameplan of spinning anything. I saw one guy that had a devestating spinning backfist and caught one guy good. However, that's the only guy who got caught with it. Everyone else dodged it and used it as an open opportunity to take him down and run the "ground and pound" offense.
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11-27-2005, 04:26 PM
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Chin, for every 2 links of spinning whatnot you post, I'll post a hundred. That's my point. Those guys that might've won by some oddball kick probably were going against another stand up fighter. Trust me, if those guys were going against a grappler, they would NEVER ever open themselves up to be taken down with a spinning (pretty) whatever.
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11-27-2005, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by 0311
Half of it due to conditioning,
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Totally agree,
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Originally Posted by 0311
and the other half because they have 5 or 6 moves in their arsenal that work the best.
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yes, but it's not just the moves but how they apply the moves. the angles they attack at are definitely what makes them lethal.
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11-27-2005, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by 0311
Jean Claude Van Damme got his ass handed to him in a bar fight.
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Van Damme is so strung out he can barely stand half the time!
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11-27-2005, 04:30 PM
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I think another thing that makes the Thai fighters so effective is their ability to take punishment. Part of their conditioning really.
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11-27-2005, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 0311
One whole guy! Noone enters the ring with a gameplan of spinning anything.
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yeah, I know that. every smart fighter knows that. you go into a ring with a lot broader plan and then you apply what is presented to you at that moment and if it's a spinning whatever and you know how to use it right, then you do it then.
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Originally Posted by 0311
I saw one guy that had a devestating spinning backfist and caught one guy good.
However, that's the only guy who got caught with it. Everyone else dodged it and used it as an open opportunity to take him down and run the "ground and pound" offense.
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do you mean Shonie Carter
http://www.ufc.tv/index.cfm?fa=fighter.detail&pid=150
and if so, he has caught many people with his spinning back fist.. it's what he's known for.
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