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First Round started off with each guy circling. One thing was clear...Lidell was out for blood. He was hitting harder and more agressively than I've seen him before. Couture kept his cool (as is his MO). They both landed a couple of glancing blows, nothing serious, then....in a harmless looking exchange, Couture comes out holding his eye in excrutiating pain. He looked like he was going to drop unconscious from it. It appears that Lidell actually punched him/thumbed him so hard that his thumb went right in to Couture's eye socket (keep in mind, this is like half way through the first round). Couture was still in serious pain a few more seconds in and took a knee. Lidell looked like he was going to jump him, but hesitated. The ref looked like he didn't know what the F to do. Then Couture told him what happened and he gave Randy time to recover. I'm not sure about UFC rules on this, but usually it's up to five minutes to recover. Randy took about 30 seconds and then said he could continue. His eye was watering badly, and he still had a look in his eye like he was hurting. They began again, Lidell jumped right on him with non-stop punches to the face (targeting that right eye of Couture's) He knocked him unconscious in the air, and Randy fell straight on his back out cold on the ground. Lidell jumped him and hit him with two more monster punches to the face (while he was out cold). The ref stopped the fight.

That's what happened.



Raven

:eek: wow... was there any replay on the "thumb" strike?

Dave the reason I say it could have been a fix is they (Zuffa, Dana White)own both fighters, the ref, and the odds were against Lidell. When betting is involved anything can happen.

Randy is getting up there in age and the UFC needs younger blood. Look these guys are fighters, don't think that for a moment they wouldn't take a dive for the right amount of money. There training is fierce and getting knocked out in training is part of the game sometimes.

I personally talked to a Pride FC bonafide champion a few months back when he was visiting the Academy down in Torrance. I had asked him about training with Pele Landi and if he was as tough sparring as in the ring. His reply was " There were days that he would knock me out and days I would knock him out". The reason I'm conveying this conversation, is to reiterate that these guys sacrifice their bodies in training, can you imagine when there are millions of dollars on the line.

If someone were to tell me "Hey Dave(my name)we need you to throw this fight, if you do there will be a nice payday today, plus you will get a bigger payday for a rematch tomorrow just make it look convincing"! These guys are in it for the money also and sadly they just don't get paid like other professional athletes. I believe that they should, but they don't.

How much do you think they will get for a Rematch? If Randy would have won that would have been 2 losses delivered to Chuck, by Randy. A third fight would have been still been paid very good, but now since they are both 1 win and 1 loss, this next fight will determine who is the better of the two. This makes it more exciting then the other way around.

It was a great fight and BR laid it down perfect! I don't know if it was a fix, and I hate thinking this way. But, like I said when you have millions of dollars in betting, it taints any sport.

I have done several styles since I was a kid. Some of them I have studied are Wushu KungFu, Sanshou, Taichi, Mua tai kickboxing, and currently studying Shotokan. I find mixing up the styles are great for an all over knowledge. I also agree with several of the points you guys made.

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I wish I knew what the hell any of those things were. Sounds to me like the name of some kind of Thai food, are you a cook??

HAHA, no but I do order Chinese food a lot.

No wonder, I am so used to ordering Kung Fu chicken, and Beef Sanshou One time they tried to give me Fillet Meow instead of Chicken Taichi, but I kicked the chinese guys ass for doing that to me.

I did not know that.

funny you say this ... I was thinking about that last night... It does make alot of sense.. I just hate to think that they throw fights.. It's the fact that I remember the first UFC and how great it was as a kid.. To me it's like figuring out that Wrestling is staged..

Guys, Couture came in to the fight in the best shape of his entire life. He went through all of his training as per usual, and he just nicked Lidell with a couple of nearly landed home run punches that might have put him down had they landed flush. Do you think he pre-arranged to have Chuck slam his thumb in his ocular bone too?

This is just a ridiculous theory.

Neither of these guys would throw a fight, if you knew anything about either of them you'd know that. They are two of the most fierce competitors to lace them up. Neither of them have ever given ANY indication that they would do anything like that at any point in their careers. It's assinine to think that a champion at the top of his sport would throw a fight just to get a rubber match (and by the way, if a guy was going to do something that lowlife, he sure wouldn't agree to being KO'd in the first couple of minutes of the fight, because that makes it look more like Couture is finally over the hill, than that we need to see them go at it again. Be realistic.)

I'd like any one of you to name 3 examples of fighters in ANY fighting sport that have thrown a second fight just so they could set up a third. Any fighting sport. Actually, make that 2 examples. You make it sound like it's a rampant practice, and it's not.

If you want to set up a third match, you have to make the second match competitive. Saturdays fight was not competitive at all.

The final point is that Couture was cleanly ktfo. His head bounced off the mat 3 times. He was out from a flush right hand that he couldn't see (due to the eye gouge) and got nailed with all of Chuck's weight behind it. Then Lidell pounded him flush on the chin twice while on the ground after he was out. Yeah, I'm sure Couture said "Just knock the shit out of me Chuck. Lets do it really early on too, so that fans are dying to see us in the ring again"

The whole idea is just ignorant.



Raven

whoooo... easy there BR.. I said nothing about agreeing with this theory.. although I did entertain the Idea.. all I said was that I didnt' know that they had the same owners.. and that I could also see a third match in the making.. All I was hoping was that the "theory" was wrong.. From what I know about the fighters I doesn't seem likely for them to thow a fight.. and I haven seen the fights yet.. so until them I'm just listening to what other people say.. I'll come to my conclusion when I see all the facts