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Old 03-23-2006, 08:53 AM
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Ah, we were posting at the same time. I see your on board...SUPPOSEDLY

Do what I said about the lat work though.

BTW, I think we might start calling you Manujat
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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.

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Anuj prob won't do what I said anyway. If he does, he can tell you...
i dont know what that was for....

but, moving on,
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Matter of fact, you could try to play with the weights and see if that can help you build up to a better 3x5 with the same weight. You could pick regular incremental increases, with the last set being your max weight. You could go for a lower weight your first two sets, then the max on your last, then next time see if you could use that same max on the last two sets, so on and so forth until you can do that max weight for all three. Then you could start over going for a higher max and repeat the process. Hell, as long as the last set is as intense as possible (and yes, I mean it should be fucking hard, mine are) that's going to help.You may find that you can start increasing the weight for a while for same weight all three sets after you've made significant improvements doing that.
thats what eric suggested... then i remmebered Kane's posts saying that u can only call urself "stuck" on a lift when the load's been same for 2 weeks....

so this is what i'm planning on doing:
1.) keep the weight the same and go along with the program till i stop gaining strength...

2.) i predict thats gonna be 2 weeks max....

3.) once i hit that part of my life where i've become stagnant, i'm gonna start pyramidding the weights as Eric has suggested....

4.) i'm not gonna look too far into the future... 2 weeks is ok.. no more.... its for evrybody's sake...

now u guys know what my plan is....
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Old 03-25-2006, 02:08 AM
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ok, so we now know my problems with this program:

1.) my squat is gonna hit a plateau soon

2.) my bench is stuck

so here are the solutions eric has suggested (some of it is my own taken from other training modules):

1.) start pyramiding the weights for 3 sets... i might do 4 sets then....

2.) add more chest work intothe program... i'm thinking 3x20 of dumbbell presses on the large medicine ball (taken from westside)....

3.) add more tricep work into the program...

4.) more lat work - for hypertrophy, not strength... so i might do OVT style back workouts from now on... what i'm thinking is:
Workout A: A1: BB Rows A2: DB Rows 3x8 402 tempo and 601 tempo..
Workout B: A1: Lat Pull Down A2: 3x8 Pull Overs 402 tempo and 601 temp

lets see what happens now...
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Day 23 of Mark Rippetoe's 3x5 Training
25th March 2006
Saturday
Workout B


The Core Workout:

Barbell Back A2G Squats [1x2] = 100 kgs (NTF)
Barbell Back A2G Squats [3x5] = 90 kgs

Military Press [3x5] = 45 kgs


Barbell Back A2G Squats
i did 1 set (after a great warm-up) with 100 kgs just to see if i could handle it, and it was beautiful... i could have done 3 reps more but was afraid that my 3x5 workout sets would get fucked... so was satisfied with 1 set only... as far as the work sets go, i think they were ok... i just wish that next time i can take 95....

Military Press
decent... gonna go for a 50 next time.... 45 was self without a touch and not push-press style...


Supplemetary Lifts:

Medicine Ball Dumbbell Bench Press [3x15] = 36 kgs

A1: Barbell Rows [3x8] = 40 kgs
A2: Dumbbell Rows (1-Arm) [3x8] = 24 kgs


Overall Impression:

nice workout.... very happy with the 100 kg A2G Squats.... 90 kgs was ok... medicine ball presses were great... they hit the triceps + chest like none other... DC Stretches for back, quads and hams....
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oh, and guys... do several warm-up sets before doing medicine ball benches.... it takes a while to get used to... i know i fell off.... quite embarassing lol....!

shit i could damaged my wrist... or worse yet, screwed my face if the dumbbell fell on it... shit....
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oh, and guys... do several warm-up sets before doing medicine ball benches.... it takes a while to get used to... i know i fell off.... quite embarassing lol....!

shit i could damaged my wrist... or worse yet, screwed my face if the dumbbell fell on it... shit....
You're not a man til you've dropped at least a 70lb DB on your chest and fallen off a swiss ball in front of a woman's aerobic class
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You're not a man til you've dropped at least a 70lb DB on your chest and fallen off a swiss ball in front of a woman's aerobic class
lol... in that case, i became a man 5 months ago....!
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i hate this... there are so many fuckin variations of Rippetoe's training routine i;m sick of them..

here is the ORIGINAL routine:

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Starting Strength
Workout A

3x5 Squat
3x5 Bench Press
1x5 Deadlift

Workout B

3x5 Squat
3x5 Military Press
3x5 Power Clean

Warm up using several sets before doing the 3

work sets (or 1 for the deadlift). If you're

using 175, for example, it would look like

this:

Warm up sets

2x5xbar (sets x reps x weight)
1x5x85
1x3x125
1x2x155

Work sets

3x5x175


You alternate workout A and B, 3

non-consecutive days per week. So you might

do:

Week 1

M

Workout A

W

Workout B

F

Workout A

Week 2

M

Workout B

W

Workout A

F

Workout B


Add weight to the bar whenever possible. If

you're very new to lifting weights, or if most

of your lifting has focused on curls and other

isolation movements, you'll probably be able

to add some weight each workout. Maybe 5-10

lbs each time in the squat and deadlift, and

about 5 lbs in the other three lifts.

Eventually you won't be able to sustain such

progress, and you'll have to get microplates

so you can increase by smaller increments. Or

you could make them out of chain:

http://davedraper.com/forum/showflat...3/Main/

126754/

And eat a lot of food. A whole lot.

It's fine to add some assistance work such as

abs, hypers, or maybe some direct biceps and

triceps work, but don't overdo it. For direct

arm work, 3 sets of 8 of one lift for each

muscle at the end of your last workout of the

week will be plenty. Your arms are getting hit

hard all week on this routine, so you don't

want to blast them with iso stuff as well.

The part about food is important. You MUST eat

big to get big. Rippetoe recommends 4 meals

per day, plus a gallon of milk spread

throughout the day. That seems to be working

well for me. Make the meals big. For instance,

I might have an 8 oz steak, large baked

potato, a big salad with olive oil and

vinegar, and a large glass of milk. This is

around 1000 calories for this one meal. A lot,

yes, but you need a surplus to grow. You may

gain some fat, but it's much easier to lose

fat and preserve muscle mass than it is to

gain muscle without gaining fat.
so this is what I AM gonna do:

Workout A

The Core Workout:
squat 3x5
bench 3x5
deadlift 1x5

The Supplementary Workout:
close grip presses 3x5
A1: lat pull down*
A2: pull overs*
*OVT style for 3x8

The Assistance Workout:
abs

Workout B

The Core Workout:
squat 3x5
military press 3x5
power cleans 5x3

The Supplementary Workout:
medicine ball dumbbell bench presses 3x15
A1: BB Rows**
A2: DB 1-Arm Rows**
**OVT style for 3x8

The Assistance Workout:
abs

----x----

one more variation and i'm gonna throttle someone...!
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Old 03-25-2006, 12:04 PM
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so here are the solutions eric has suggested (some of it is my own taken from other training modules):
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2.) add more chest work intothe program... i'm thinking 3x20 of dumbbell presses on the large medicine ball (taken from westside)....
I suggested db presses MIGHT help strengthen the stabilizers. 20 reps? I don't know about that. If you're trying to keep from falling off the ball then you might be emphasizing the stabilizers more, but I don't know if it will really impact your bench.

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4.) more lat work - for hypertrophy, not strength... so i might do OVT style back workouts from now on... what i'm thinking is:
Workout A: A1: BB Rows A2: DB Rows 3x8 402 tempo and 601 tempo..
Workout B: A1: Lat Pull Down A2: 3x8 Pull Overs 402 tempo and 601 temp
Most CERTAINLY did not suggest that. More lat work? Yes. Just for hypertrophy? Worthless if it is non-functional hypertrophy (worthless for helping your bench, I mean.) OVT was your idea. For hypertrophy, not stength? Just adding mass to your lats is not per se going to help your bench. I gave you specific ideas, but you didn't read them before posting this.....might have to keep it to the journal if I'm going to be misquoted
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ok so hypertrophy is bullshit.....

so then i think i'll make it 3x5 not 3x8 and we'll do the bb rows, db rows and t-bar rows with pull overs.....
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