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Old 04-14-2008, 07:13 AM
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I-dub. you also have to look at you guys may have a different diet, he may be stronger than you, or he could be lighter than you, and a whole bunch of other crap. there could be a million and one different reaosn why he can keep banging out excersizes with his bodyweight. i would recommend any and everyone to not measure their success with no one elses
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Old 04-14-2008, 10:16 AM
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BW+22 some odd pounds is really good. Most people can't hardly do pullups period. Pullups for many are the hardest thing there is. Let alone if they aren't being prioritized. You've already shown you can do them. As soon as you get to a point where you can put a little bit more priority on them you'll probably have no problem.

Another thing to keep in mind is sometimes it is better to fit the workout to your state of fatigue. So this time you did 5,4, and 2. At a guess I'd say when you were doing the 5 it already felt like it was going to be a bad day for pullups. NO? What I would have done is stop at 3 if not even 2 reps on the first set. Rest. Hit another 2 or 3. Rest. Hit some more. Just low rep it. It doesn't have to be long rest periods. Just a little recovery in between. So you end up getting more reps overall. You will leave the gym feeling a little better and you will get a training effect. Then on a better day you can increase the density.
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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.
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Old 04-14-2008, 10:10 PM
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Well those are all good points guys. I guess I sometimes just get a little stuck/obsessed with trying to progress on *everything* with whatever rep scheme I choose.

As far as him eating better...well I kinda taught him alot of what he knows about exercises and diet etc. I think his fatigue point just takes him longer to hit. We're almost the same weight...he's like 5ish pounds heavier.

Well anyways, I think I'm going to be ramping my reps and sets down to get higher intensity (3x3 etc) and then it'll be max test. After that, I'll reset and then accessories will get more attention.

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Old 04-15-2008, 04:51 AM
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Another thing to keep in mind is sometimes it is better to fit the workout to your state of fatigue. So this time you did 5,4, and 2. At a guess I'd say when you were doing the 5 it already felt like it was going to be a bad day for pullups. NO? What I would have done is stop at 3 if not even 2 reps on the first set. Rest. Hit another 2 or 3. Rest. Hit some more. Just low rep it. It doesn't have to be long rest periods. Just a little recovery in between. So you end up getting more reps overall. You will leave the gym feeling a little better and you will get a training effect. Then on a better day you can increase the density.
Very good idea. I have used a similar approach with pull-ups before (not my favorite exercise) and had nice results with it. Generally, I felt better about my workout that day and able to focus more the next time.
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Keep your elbows in for the dumbell rows just like you would any row. Keeping your elbows out is sort of a different exercise...more like a prone lateral with scapular retraction (instead of just rear delts).
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facepulls....if i remember correctly
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Old 04-15-2008, 02:22 PM
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Hmmm, so you are supposed to pull your elbow back along your body. What about a pendlay row? This video shows her bringing her elbows out quite a ways. I was led to believe this was proper form. Am I wrong?


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Old 04-15-2008, 02:46 PM
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Facepulls are an example of that pity, yes. But I was thinking of the prone lateral dumbell exercise. Facepulls also have you keeping your elbows up at the same level. This is a scapular stabibility exercise.

That's not perfect form. But here elbows aren't too far out, per se, it's her technique. She would have to get her setup nailed down. The problem here is the shoulders are not locked back. She is using scapular elevation as much or more than protraction. If she locked her shoulders down more, focused on proper scapula movement then here arms would come in more, I think. She would also then be able to achieve more thoracic extension and a tighter scapular pinch at the top while spreading her chest. Instead here upper torso travels toward the bar. Maybe some tightness in the pecs as well here.

But the fact is I see very few people who are able to do a good row off the floor. The lower back is dipping below parallel, they have no control and most should be using much ligher weights. the other problem is improper positioning and not knowing the difference between scapular elevation and scapular protraction.

Here elbows aren't flared out that much for a barbell row. I think she could probably bring them in but the point is kind of like when your do bench press. You don't flare out your elbows but the doesn't mean they are going to hug your body the whole time either. Some will have their elbows in a bit more but the point is you don't flare them out purposely away from the body. The grip width will play a role as well. With dumbell rows the elbows will normally be even closer in to the body since you are not limited as much by the path a straight bar forces you to choose.

Every row variation is the same basic technique.

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Very nice Pullups IW , they are a tough exercise.
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question I-dub. are those sets you are doing prior to the 3x3 just for warm up. i would think you caould just get in a set of ten of a good weight and then maybe be able to get over 200. just a thought of mines. i could be wrong but it was just a thought
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