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Old 07-11-2007, 09:24 PM
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Pure Vitargo it is a carb loader that people doing the supplment test seemd to really like. It is 296 Calroies that your supposed to take 15 mins pre and right after your workout. That is an extra 592 calroies so I am a little nervous about it.
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Old 07-12-2007, 07:31 AM
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O.k I've heard some very good things about that in the supplemets tester thread. Those calories will all be used up quick if your working out with enough intensity.
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Old 07-12-2007, 09:23 AM
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The pure vitargo is a high amylopectin waxy maize type stupplement although I don't think it's maize.

You need to adjust the starting dose down with that and go from there. People need to research and take a dose of common sense. The recommended servings are based on ENDURANCE events not resistance training. This stuff has a kick and if you use that much you may crash. That's 73 to 75 grams of carbohydrate from probably the highest GI thing you can get. I'd start with half the recommended serving.
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Old 07-12-2007, 11:15 AM
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I started today with the recommended serving pre and post workout I see what your saying about I crash. I will take your advice and take the half serving. It says that it pulls nutrients into your muscle so I mixed the CEE and the BCAA with it. IMO bad idea nasty and way to thick I felt too full and bloated still do.

Today we did legs this guy loves huge reps.

Cardio Elliptical 15mins 0 resistance

Extensions 90lbs 3x40

Hamstrings 70lbs 3x40

Close stance squats 120lbs 3x50

Wide stance squats 120lbs 3x40

Hack squats 120lbs 3x40

Calf raises 50lbs 3x25

Crotch rippers 50lbs 3x30 (I am not sure
what these are really called but it is a machine where you put a pad on the inside of your quads and it spreads your legs apart then you pull them back together
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Hamstring stretches 25lb 3x25

Crunchs 3x30

Leg raises 3x30

Pretty hard at least for me I am still not used to these high reps I had about 1min rest between sets kept my heart rate high and kept the sweat rolling off.

Diet for yesterday was good I will just post the end result of cals/pro/fat/carbs. My diet is mainly Chunk light tuna and chicken with veggies during luch and dinner.

1205 cals / 183g protien / 89g carb / 14g fat
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Old 07-12-2007, 12:07 PM
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I dont mind at all Brew, here are my thoughts thus far ...

Since your primary goal (as I've read it) is fat loss right now, you seem to be on the right path. Your overall calorie count is a bit on the low side, i would say you should bring your protien up to atleast 220g, and get your fats up higher also, I'd say between 50 and 80g. keep your carbs at 100g or lower per day, and you will be good for now. At those numbers you will be right around 2000 cals a day, and in border line ketosis. The natural tendancy is to go low with your cals right off the bat, but understand that doing so leaves you no where to go after you fat loss stalls. And it will stall out eventually. so stay around those numbers untill you stall, then drop them gradually. Also, work in a carb up day once a week or so, plan it out as your "cheat" day, and get in 300 to 400 grams of carbs on that day. it will restore your muscle glycogen, and since its planned you will have something to look forward to at the end of a long week of dieting, and it will keep you from cheating durring the week.

As far as the workouts go, I'll be honest I dont see a whole lot of point to doing 40 rep sets, but your on the right track with keeping your rest periods short, and keeping your heart rate up. I would push the lbs up on the bar, and go between 12 and 15 reps per set, thats enough to depleat glycogen levels in the muscle, if thats what your shooting for.

with the Pure Virtago, add a lot more water, it does get thick when you mix it without enough water, and do as eric said and drop the dosage down to about half the dose, it will keep you from bloating, and also save you some cash. In the future you can pick up bulk waxy maize starch from nutraplanet fairly cheap.
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Old 07-12-2007, 12:39 PM
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It seems to keep being said I need to up the calories so I will take that advice. Only thing is I am always full eating every 2-3 hrs usually a quick tuna packet because I am driving around town most of the day for work. I guess I will throw in some more food around lunch maybe a larger salad and 5-6 oz of a protein rich meat.

As far as the reps I would agree with you there I don't see the point either except for the increased cardio effect I am getting from the workout. It is almost like a circut training deal. I asked the trainer why so many reps and he said that for the first couple of weeks he really want's to shock the muscles and then start chaning up the routine every few weeks from supersets to dropsets to negatives, circut training, heavy, and light. I never heard this before but he said he want's to keep my muscles guessing. At this point I am up to it. So I will stick with it and see how it goes after one month I will post another pic and see how everything is looking. If I don't see any changes I will find a something on here for weightloss. Oh and I am going to start the HIIT trainning after reading Sleazys sticky on it. Sounds like just what I need to be doing.
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Old 07-12-2007, 12:42 PM
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I forgot but also wanted to say thanks to everyone for all the advice it really helps and please keep it rolling in. Just wish I knew more so I could contribute a little to the site but for now I just have to learn.
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Old 07-12-2007, 12:57 PM
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I didnt realize you had a trainer, I thought you ment you were just lifting with a friend. That changes things a little, if your paying dude, then listen to him, it might not be what I would do, but roll with it for now, if you see results then fine, if not, then go at it on your own.

HIIT cardio is great for fat loss, and you can throw it in to switch shit up so you dont get bored too. your doin good, stick with it bro.
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Old 07-12-2007, 09:13 PM
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I upped the calories today and the protein a little. I really think that I have been trying to lower my calories for so long that I just cant eat that much anymore. I am always full and have to force myself to eat but I am doing it and I am sure it will get better with time.


Today the Diet went Great

8:00am 1/2 cup oatmeal with water and cinnamon 1 protein shake, 1 Fish Oil pill

10:00am PV, CEE,

12:00am PV, CEE Tuna, Salad, 1 Protein Shake, 1 Fish oil pill

2:00pm 5oz boneless chicken (Rotisserie from Sams club)

4:00pm 5oz boneless chicken (Same chicken)

6:00pm 7oz boneless chicken, 1/2 croissant (Still got lots of this sucker left)

8:00pm 1 cup cottage cheese, 1 peach, 1 Fish oil pill

Calories 2123
Protein 197g
Fat 53g
Carbs 201

This includes the PV I think once I cut the serving in half I sould be sitting pretty with the diet. Just need to bump the Protien a bit. That will take out 296 calroies and 72g carbs. I am mixing the BCAA in with water throughout the day I am going to try and find a pill form to make getting the correct dosage more simple and they taste like asprin.
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Old 07-13-2007, 11:42 AM
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The problem with capped BCAA's (pill form) is you will have to take like 90 of them to get the amount you need. Pick up some crystal light, it masks the bitterness of the BCAA's very well.
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