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Old 05-13-2008, 08:25 AM
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our friend DV here has a VERY low total. he can barely bench press 135 lbs!!!! doing DFT 5x5 is kinda pointless when he will end up adding like 40 lbs over 8 weeks versus he could do rippetoe's correctly and add 80 lbs over 8 weeks.

lets assume he has poor genetics and his bench sucks. this is fair. perhaps his bench sucks to the extent he cannot progress on a workout to workout or a weekly basis. no big deal. hell, when i did the Texas Method i was also benching 135 for 5x5...but this was because i had never benched before...my bench was 135 whereas my squat, etc were 300+

so back to my point.....lets say he has poor genetics....then he has to train bench differently. he doesnt need to jump directly into Advanced DFT...he can very simply modify his rippetoe program and change it into a more variable 3 day full body program.

regarding his squat and deadlift....i need to see videos before i believe anything seriously.[/QUOTE]


ok, gottcha Wolf, that makes sense - a modified ripptoe program would probably be best for him
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Old 05-13-2008, 10:14 AM
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ok, gottcha Wolf, that makes sense - a modified ripptoe program would probably be best for him
yup. well maybe not modified...but with some extra exercises. basically: a 3x a week full body plan with different exercise variations to help bring up potential weak points and avoid muscle imbalances (indirectly shielding him from injuries).
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Old 05-13-2008, 12:53 PM
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DFT is not simple linear progression. It is a 4 to 6 week volume loading cycle based on planned overreaching followed by a "deoad/peak". We need to take down the sticky.

Anuj explained the various "stages" of 5x5 training very well. Except it doesn't have to be 5 pounds at a time. The only thing I will add to that is these "funda" really only make absolute sense if someone is to continue with volume 5x5 training. It is a model that fits that. Otherwise the way people progress can vary widely and it is very important not to try to absolutely fit Rippetoe's model to all methods. His model leads to HIS method. For myself I think his model becomes very counterproductive past the beginner/intermediate stage. But that's just IMHO.

Not using the cylcles would be stupid because it would be a whole bunch of volume to use for a linear basis which means SHIT LIGHT WEIGHTS. And it wouldn't be DFT program.

Yes, it is very possible that different exercises will have different "training ages" and this need to be attacked differently. This is a big problem with standard 5x5 formats as every exercise is trained exactly the same regardless of the individuals needs.

Just like in the other thread, I am beginning to think that Dark is just bullshitting everyone. The numbers speak for themselves.
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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.

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Old 05-13-2008, 09:35 PM
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I'm guessing the jump from 165lbs to 270lbs was a typo.

Just my 2 cents.

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Old 05-14-2008, 09:00 PM
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Yeah it was a typo, so I'm considering starting over rippetoe's... I'm going to take a break tomorrow to read starting strength's programming section.
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Good luck DV I think SS will work well for you.
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Old 05-22-2008, 02:31 PM
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Thank you :]

new journal;

http://www.bodybuilding.net/showthre...7315#post57315

going to get some form vids up on youtube tonight in that thread.
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Old 05-22-2008, 05:37 PM
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videos are up!! check the link!
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