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Very well said hrdgain.

I'm continually amazed at how easily people are duped by these snake oil sales pitches. Come on man, it's the 21st century! When you see ridiculous sounding claims like in this ad that have no references or studies that back anything they say it is just that; bullshit. Why waste money on HGH "supplements" and "precursors"?

Like hrdgain said why not just spend the same money on some of the real stuff? I believe people think that they're getting the same thing but that it's safer like the adds purport. I'm afraid that anything that really works is gonna carry some risks.

Sorry Bulk, I apologize for coming down so hard, after all you did ask. Get yourself hooked up with some real HGH or better yet, how about a 12 week cycle of testosterone enanthate? That'll get you where you want to be pretty quick. Or the same amount of money will buy you a nice handful of d-bol or a-drol that should be equally interesting to you!


Iron

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"Perago Validus"

Iron, I like your direct and honest advice. I have always trained myself and using basic methods and nothing like these kind of suppliments before.. so I am very much a novice and inexperienced with these 'kind' of suppliments. This is why I found this forum to ask you guys that have years of experience and to help me out.

This is only my 1st day on here and I have read a lot of posts of here and found it really good to learn about the whole scene. I have only taken protein and vits before! lol.. so sorry if I sound like I am asking daft questions.

Thanks guys... really appreciate it.

btw... some of the things I have read so far included the real 'HGH' and it is mighty expensive... (more than steriods) and I now realise its quite a risk and you can grow in areas that you dont want to with it permanently... (forehead.. elbow.. feet.. and heart problems can occur etc) Like I said tho... forgive me for being so naive.. I know there are risks with all the things that actually work but there are some risks that out weigh the gains for me.

cheers for the help.