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HE>I 03-06-2012 07:32 AM

is it safe to stack gnc's beyond raw re-fine with gnc's beyond raw ravage?

FitnessFreek 03-06-2012 05:17 PM

GNC is bad so I wouldn't haha you can get a lot better products for less money.

HE>I 03-06-2012 06:13 PM

what would you recommend for less?

FitnessFreek 03-07-2012 05:56 PM

You can shop at or somewhere else. GNC is by far the most expensive place and their brand isn't very high quality. I won't recommend any products because I don't really know what those products you listed are. What are they exactly?

TessaAlfred 03-08-2012 03:25 AM

Yes, I too wouldn't recommend this products. Actually it caused much problems to me after being used for a month.. Its effective only but sometimes harming the body.

HE>I 03-08-2012 08:53 PM

gnc refine
Ultra Thermogenic and Metabolic Igniter
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gnc ravage
Potent, Ultra Concentrated Pre-Workout Hybrid
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Beyond RAW™ Ravage is a cutting-edge scientific formula that combines a N.O. Vasodilation Amplifier designed to rush muscle fueling factors and expand branched –chain amino acids into blood vessels, simultaneously triggering vasodilation and generating a massive anabolic environment.* Ravage then adds an ATP Optimizing Creatine Module to ramp up high-energy ATP production, explosive muscle power and strength, while increasing the amount stored in creatine in the muscles and natural creatine production.* Stacked on top is the Muscle Buffering System that activates an intrinsic fatigue controlling factor. To stimulate mental focus and intensity, Ravage adds a cascade of metabolic intensifiers that ignite calorie burning and fatty acid metabolism to intensify your neural drive, so you can shatter records and punch through sticking points.* The results? Ferocious workouts, superior muscularity, and dominating athletic performance.*

FitnessFreek 03-09-2012 12:04 PM

So they are basically a thermogenic and a pre WO. I don't use thermogenics but I'm sure many people will have much better options to tell you. For a pre WO, you can go with jack3d, white flood, no xplode, 1MR, etc, etc.

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