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Old 10-03-2010, 08:18 PM
thegw thegw is offline
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Default Supplement/weight gain advice needed

Couple of disclaimers before I get into it:
*I have done a bit of research on different supplements, however the amount of very different reviews and different stacks becomes confusing.
*I know there are people who believe natural supplements do very little and the hard stuff is the only way to go, but that isnít an option for me.
I am 25, currently weigh around 75kg and I compete regularly in Kyokushin karate and kickboxing.
I used to sit between 65kg (lean) to 70 kg but early this year I made the decision to go heavier Ė I upped my calories first and this helped, and I also did a bit of research into herbs and sups that boosted testosterone, I took them every day and in the first few months I had great results.
Stack I was taking (no science behind the stack or how they complement each other)

Vitamin C, Multi Vitamin, ZMA
5 Methoxy-7 Methoxy
I think it was 6 OXO? Or 3, 6, 17 Androdesterione??
Beta Ecdesterone
Maca Root
And also a Ďmensí topical cream with a number of herbal ingredients
Creatine, Protein powder, NoXplode and Beta Alanine
I was lifting heavy weights (for me) with separate days for chest (max bench 112kg), back (max dead lift 180kg), tris and bis...didnít do legs
I got to 80kg relatively quickly and there was a definite size and strength difference, albeit higher fat content but my physique was ok.
Not sure if it was all a placebo effect, but when I stopped all these supís I couldnít gain anymore, I completely got stuck at 80kg.

I have since dropped back to 75kg for a recent fight, but I want to jump to 85kg as quick as possible without taking anything banned by the Anti doping fed.
I have a few tablets left of each of the above minus the Andro and the Beta.
My question is, what to take, what not to take etc. What stack do you recommend? I have done some reading on Ďsupabolí and that seems pretty powerful? I donít mind if it is synthetic just as long as it isnít banned...10kg is a big number but I am a believer in these sups and willing to work hard.
Any information would be greatly appreciated Ė detail a powerful stack for me guys
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Old 10-04-2010, 10:56 AM
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Old 10-04-2010, 01:28 PM
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Default a question here

Calisthenics for 3months for an out of shape begginer???


I have started a great diet but only doing push ups, negitive pull-ups (because I'm not able to perform a regular pull up yet), simple crunches, non-weighted calf raises and non weighted lunges.

I plan to switch over to much heavier weights for my New Year's resolution.

Should I be cutting now, bulking or just focusing on a good diet and getting stronger via Calisthenics?

Thanks in advance to all for feedback!

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Old 10-05-2010, 08:55 AM
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I think you shouldn't worry about cutting or bulking right now, just worry about getting strong enough to get into the gym. Maybe practice healthy eating habits and rest, so when you get into the gym you'll have a head start. goodluck
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Old 10-05-2010, 09:31 PM
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I'm not that ooshape
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