technically a thermogenic is just something that increases fat burning through raising your body temp. Simply drinking coffee is a thermogenic. Take coffee with bitter orange (eat orange with white stuff) and you are doing a standard thermogenic. But most of the line of products these days are geared toward weight loss not just thermogenisis. Keep your amount of fat while weight gaining at a T so that you have storage if needed, but dont have so much that it throws off your body mass as Fat is a living thing; hormones are created ect.. All that being said most preworkout supplements have thermogenics in them start with that unless fat % becomes much larger than wanted then replace preworkout drink with thermogenic supplement
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