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BG5150 05-28-2005 05:31 PM

Trac--your thoughts
Hi. Any thoughts about Trac for my pre-workout supplement?

Darkhorse 05-29-2005 04:59 AM

Well, I don't know how they can still sell it with a straight face. It's a liquified creatine, and herein lies the problem. Creatine is NOT stable in liquid. It turns into creatinine, which is about as effective as using chalk to get huge. Stay away from all liquid creatine because it's absolutely useless. If you don't believe me, I'll list a bunch of studies if you would like... :(

BG5150 05-29-2005 08:45 AM

What should I use, then?

Darkhorse 05-29-2005 09:21 AM

There's a thousand different blends, and most of them work because of one underlining factor...They all have creatine mono as the main ingredient. You're better off getting some regular creatine mono. It will yield results just as good as any "special" blend does. Mix it in grape juice and you're good to go. Go with a 5 day (20 gram) loading phase. That would mean 5 grams spread out four times a day. I used both Prolab and Optimum Nutrition's brands and liked it. I now use CEE and really like that as well....

BG5150 05-29-2005 12:51 PM

What else besides grape juice (I'm not particularly fond of it :p )?

BG5150 05-29-2005 01:08 PM

And who makes CEE?

Darkhorse 05-29-2005 01:18 PM


Originally Posted by BradG
What else besides grape juice (I'm not particularly fond of it :p )?

Then how's bout apple juice? Anything with a copious amount of dextrose. Like TAURUS said, dextrose is the best transporter.

BG5150 05-29-2005 01:19 PM

which do you think is better? CEE or mono? what's the difference?

Darkhorse 05-29-2005 01:21 PM

I know you're just being difficult, but I'll start my quest right now...Be back in a half hour!

Darkhorse 05-29-2005 02:07 PM

The first 4 websites are neutral, not selling anything. The actual studies aren't made by a medical journal until the end. But, with all this listed, would you want to spend money on it?? :eek: :cool:

Science shows that creatine is unstable in liquid form, meaning that serum or liquid delivery systems are currently not supported by scientific literature. The creatine rapidly degrades to creatinine, which is not useable by the body. There is very little support for the notion that creatine in any type of mixture, including an effervescent mixture, is absorbed more efficiently by the body. A company known as Albion Laboratories, Inc. claims to have found an effective delivery mechanism by chelating creatine to magnesium (a chelate is an organic compound that is typically absorbed more readily by the body than individual elements).

Of all the Creatine salts available, Creatine Monohydrate offers the most bang for the buck. There are several other Creatine salts that are deservingly gaining popularity but for the money Creatine Monohydrate is still on top. Be very skeptical of liquid Creatine. Creatine in liquid has been proven unstable and there are pending law suits against the largest manufacturer of these products for misleading claims and comparisons to Creatine Monohydrate powder.

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