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Old 06-14-2007, 09:42 AM
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Ok, I have a gym pass, and I wanna start doing dead lifts and squats, I'm wondering though. . . if I do them on a machine that holds the bar for me, is this gonna result in any significant disadvantages, or maybe even benefits?

I'm thinking it might be good to start out, until I get a feel for it, and then switch over to freeweights.
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Don't start with a machine. Start with a bar with light weight and get use to the movement. If you start with a machine your stabilizer muscles will not work on what they need to in order to do a proper deadlift or squat.
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Don't start with a machine. Start with a bar with light weight and get use to the movement. If you start with a machine your stabilizer muscles will not work on what they need to in order to do a proper deadlift or squat.

Ditto, the movement/feel on a machine is nothing like free weights. This is especially true when doing alot of weight and you will notice that you probably can't do the same amount without the machine because there are more mechanics involved with free weights. Machines have their place, but I think its much better to learn these core lifts without them.
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^^^^Absolutely. Don't even think about doing it that way. Hopefully some trainer won't try to convince you otherwise. Besides stabilizer muslces it will force you're body into a fixed and unnatural plane of motion. This will result in a movement pattern that can set you up for injuries when you switch over, in addition to what the others already said about it.
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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.
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like Rip says "a smith machine squat is an oxymoron".

stick to free weights.
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Old 06-14-2007, 01:04 PM
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Heres a question though...htf do you even do deadlifts on a machine? Rack deadlifts I understand, but deads on a smith? Maybe I'm missing something here...
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I've seen guys doing it. At least they think they're doing deads. Of course it doesn't resemble reg deads at all. More like stiff legged deads with a whole lot of rounding in the thoracic region. It ain't pretty .
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Heres a question though...htf do you even do deadlifts on a machine? Rack deadlifts I understand, but deads on a smith? Maybe I'm missing something here...
I could see doing them but only if you have this new wave of Smith machines.

http://www.bodycraft.com/

check out the video. It is definitely a high end machine.

I know of a gym that has it near where I live. I'm skeptical about how sturdy the dual sliding bars would be.
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awesome, definately a concensus, free weights it will be!
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free weights are better than machines.

Dave, that smith looks pretty impressive man....i wonder if the two bars move in sync or not....
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