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Old 05-16-2009, 07:38 AM
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Yeah, Ross, may be right, you may want more than 2000.

I keep mine at around 2000, with 4 scoops of whey protein on off days and 5 on training days along with creatine. That and with cardio 2- 3 days a week I maintain 210 lbs, 4% BF Squat & deadlift both over 500 lbs and 335 bench. But Im only lifting 3 days a week too, like I said.
2000 +/- calories a day with supps works well for me but may not for others.
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Old 05-16-2009, 07:44 AM
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Couldn't find the 'edit' feature ...

Anyways, I just checked - with the supps included Im taking in 3000+ cals/day and at least a gallon of water. 2000 +/- is solid food the other 1000+ is protein & creatine.
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Old 05-16-2009, 07:53 AM
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Thank you all for the replies!

It seems like I'll switch into a 5x5 routine. I think I'm going to hold off though since in late June and July, I'll be on vacation for 3 weeks.

The only supplements I'll ever use and will be using is whey protein/muscle milk. So I'll check out Starting Strength and add some isolations maybe or make my own 5x5 routine focusing on the compounds and add isolations?

And also, I heard from doing a bad routine for a few months you can shock your body or something and it can stunt future gains? Is this true? What if I take 2 months off, which I'll most likely do since if I start this week I'll only be lifting for like 3 weeks then I'll end having to take the 3 weeks off in late June.
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Old 05-16-2009, 02:44 PM
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Old 05-16-2009, 05:48 PM
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Hey man, I see youre training 5 days a week so you have the ever important time to put into your training which is great. Ive been doing this a while since i played football in HS and made weight training and nutrition a hobby of mine which i am constantly tweaking and experimenting with and think im a pretty good resource of info. Specifically, you sound like you have the same body type as i, im 6'1 and 200 lbs at about 8% BF...but this could be lower as ive been getting leaner and havent checked my BF recently. You need to train to your body type and constantly surprise your body to enahcen strength and growth. Here is a good sample routine that can improve on your size as well as strength:

Monday Legs:

Sqauts: 1 warm up x 15
4x 10, 8, 6, 4
Leg Presses: 4x 12, 12, 10, 10
Leg Ext: 4x 15, 15, 12, 10
Striaght Legged Dead Lifts: 4x 10, 8, 6, 6
Leg Curls: 4x 15, 12, 10, 10
Calf Raises: 3x 15, 12, 10

Tuesday Arms: Biceps
Barbell Curl: 1 warm up x 15
3x 10, 8, 6
Hammer Curls: 3x 10, 10, 8
Preacher Curls: 3x 15, 12, 12
Closed Grip BP: 1 warm up x 15
3x 8, 8, 6
Inclined Single armed ext: 3 x 10, 10, 8
Rope Pressdown: 3 x 15, 12, 10
Wrist Curls behind the back: 3x 10
Wrist Curls in front: 3x 10

Wednesday Shoulders:
Barbell Press: 1 warm up set x 20
4x 10, 8, 6 ,4
Upright Rows: 4x 12, 10, 8, 6
DB lateral raises: 3x 12, 10 ,8
Rear Delt Flyes: 3x 12, 10, 8
BB front raises: 3x 15, 12, 10
BB shrugs: 3x 10, 8, 8

Thurs off

Friday Chest/ Tri's:
Flat BP: 1 warm up x 15
4 x 6, 6, 4, 4
Incline DB press: 4x 8, 8, 6, 6
Heavy Dips: 4x 10, 8, 8, 6
Flat DB Flyes: 4x 12, 10, 10, 8
Skull Crushers: 3x 15, 12, 10
Single Arm Cable Ext: 3x 15, 12, 10

Saturday Back/ Bi's:
Deadlift: 1 Warm Up x 10
4 x 6, 6, 4, 4
Lat Pulldown: 4x 10, 8, 8, 6
Bent Over BB rows: 4x 10, 8, 8, 6
Closed Grip Cable rows: 4x 10, 8, 8, 6
Behind the neck pulldowns: 3x 12, 10, 8

Abs and Obliques should alternate every training day varying reps to improve definition and thickness
Rules of thumb for nutrition when trying to increase size:
-2 calories per lb of body weight
-1-1.25 grams of protein per lb of body weight
-1.5-2 grams of carbs per lb of body weight(all should be slow digesting ie whole wheat sources with the acception of breakfast and post workout when fast digesting carbs ie sugar are key)
- 1 gallon of water per day
- cardio 3 days per week to keep fat levels down( should be low impact after workout for prolonged periods )

*different variations for different people as everyone is diff as well as changing your routine every couple of weeks to shock muscles. For more advanced routines and rep ranges to shock the muscle, get at me personally. Good luck!
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Old 05-16-2009, 05:51 PM
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sorry i forgot to write the bicep routine for the back routine day...honest mistake:

Inclined DB curls: 2x 12, 12
Concentration Curls: 2x 15, 12
Reverse BB curls: 2x 12, 10

Cheers!
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Old 05-16-2009, 11:11 PM
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Please, just take on Starting Strength or another Beginner program, DO NOT CHANGE ANYTHING, eat your ass off, way more than 2000 calories and sleep at least 8 hours a day. These programs have been built by experts, which you are not, so follow them! I was just like you, doing way too many isolation exercises. I am now on Starting Strength for two weeks and have already added 50 lbs to my squat and 50 lbs to my deadlift.
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