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Lifting is not a Science its a Feel Experiance
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06-08-2006, 12:23 PM
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Pete Sisko, training to failure not necessary. Including why the last rep is not nec the most productive
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I love it. Even Pete Sisko, whose early books were largely a thinly disguised attempt to combine concepts of HIT, partial reps, and science is side-stepping. And this is a guy who stated that the only way muscles could grow was to "overload the CNS"
He actually counceled that as your ability to recover to higher and higher workload diminishes you may have to take up to three weeks between workouts. Not even between bodyparts, between workouts!
Course he's still a dumbass. The failure article is from 2001; this from 2002:
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Originally Posted by Sisco
Amazing Progress by "Doing Nothing"
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Originally Posted by Sisco
Once you understand how to adjust your personal training frequency, your results will soar. Here's an example of what happened for a very tough-minded client of mine named Stanley.
After we discussed his training and lack of progress - particularly in the barbell shrug exercise - I told Stanley to take three weeks off of all training. He said there was no way he could stay out of the gym that long. Actually, this is a common problem with serious bodybuilders. Psychologically, when you want to make progress, it is very difficult to do what seems like "nothing." Not training feels like throwing in the towel or admitting defeat in some way. But the truth is your body needs time to recover. Time off is not wasted time; it's time that is critical to the growth process. It took a lot of talk to convince Stanley but, to his credit, he took three weeks off of all training.
Two months later he called me back with results that will shock you. His strength increased in every area of his body and his shrug power had skyrocketed. His first workout after the layoff was a personal best. Now he's training once every nine days. That's 18 days between workouts for the same bodyparts, because he uses an upper/lower body split. Before this correction in his training frequency, Stanley was training four times in just nine days. Look at the numbers that he sent me.
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Will the madness never end?
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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.
Last edited by EricT; 06-12-2006 at 10:56 AM.
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06-08-2006, 12:47 PM
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Ah, you caught that as well..Lots of fun stuff to read right there.. I'll try to find my CNS article which was one of my favorites ever written.
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06-08-2006, 12:52 PM
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Yeah. Look at the last paragraph I added. Apparently instead of maximum overload (sounds like a Stephen King book) he has discovered his holy grail: progressive overload! Duh...
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06-08-2006, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr. Hatfield
From a social-psychological view, it's utterly fascinating to watch the HIT men scramble. It brings to mind the great movie, "Lord of the Flies," in which a bunch of shipwrecked boys, left to their own devices, created a sort of Pagan society amongst themselves. Some of the Jedi who are more vocal than most, having written many passionate articles or books on their own cute little variants of the old Jones theory, bear mention. How they refer to each other as "Jedi" (which, I'm assured, means "priest") is yet more proof that HIT is a Pagan religion. I must say, however, I admire their zeal for lifting (albeit at a sub-par level)!
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I love this quote. That is exactly what I was talking about although I was kinda comparing it to Scientology.
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06-08-2006, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Sleeper
I also have a feeling that allot of folks in here havent been training for 20 plus years either.
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You know, why does every one of your posts start off with you squatting 1,000 lbs or pressing 365?..Then saying noone has 20 years experience so only I'm right! Dude, my lifts are right up there with yours and the funny part is..I do have a third as much volume as you and in half the years! And I haven't tried to gain strength neither. So maybe you could stand to learn your fill from guys like us as well!
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06-08-2006, 01:24 PM
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I don't doubt your knowledge, and you certainly don't need to leave all your stats to start every post neither.
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06-08-2006, 01:32 PM
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Whew sounds like I hit a nerve.
Whew,
it sounds like I hit a nerve. Thats good. Makes the forum sassy. LOL. I figured you guys would wale away about all your science. I'll go sit at Barnes and Noble tonight and read about 30 books on how to curl and squat. Chill out. Im not doubting your knowledge. Its obvious you love to cut and paste. ROFL.
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06-08-2006, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Sleeper
Whew,
it sounds like I hit a nerve. Thats good. Makes the forum sassy. LOL. I figured you guys would wale away about all your science. I'll go sit at Barnes and Noble tonight and read about 30 books on how to curl and squat. Chill out. Its obvious you love to cut and paste. ROFL.
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Ok, here's one I picked up from you:
Go to failure..Curl and squat..Don't disagree with me! I have 20+ years experience and I can squat like a forklift.
how's this:
Hey guys, I just benched 600 lbs on the smith machine the other day and I've got a question. What do you guys think about doing bench in the smith?
I'll stick to cut and pasting because:
* it's from guys more knowledgable than us..Who don't guage workouts by neither "feel" nor "soreness"..I think it would do you some good to pop a squat in the bookstore and learn weightlifting isn't about "feel". 
No offense of course..I like being "sassy".
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06-08-2006, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Sleeper
it sounds like I hit a nerve
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More like you HIT a funny bone. But as expected, that's the end of that. You can't refute what we say or back up what you say so you try to imply that we didn't come by our opinion "righteously".
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06-08-2006, 01:39 PM
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And with that I'm off to write an article on "curls".
SASSY!
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