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Old 01-31-2009, 07:42 PM
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Pretty much (sort of) ^^^^

The best way I ever heard to describe HIT is that its nothing more than a glorified deload.Its good at getting you unloaded from some real hard and heavy loading, but not much else!!
I was thinking that it would be a great deload. Glad you said this.

Something great to do for 1 week or maybe 2 , but I couldn't see anything good coming from doing it for months on end.
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I was thinking that it would be a great deload. Glad you said this.

Something great to do for 1 week or maybe 2 , but I couldn't see anything good coming from doing it for months on end.
trust me not much does!!!

despite all the negative stuff i've said about Mentzer and his "theory", as a competitive bber i still think the guy had one of the best physiques in the history of the sport. big, but asthetically pleasing, awesome taper and his arms were mind boggling!
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Universe101 here's a link for you that will answer all your HIT questions

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=7081571
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Here's another link to some posts from someone who claims to have done very well from HIT

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...80#post7739180
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Old 02-01-2009, 08:11 AM
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Here's another link to some posts from someone who claims to have done very well from HIT

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...80#post7739180
lol, oh god yes i sure do remember "kingfish"!
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Old 02-15-2009, 05:36 AM
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I'm going to do something very close to the Athlete Routine for the next weeks/months but insteed of training to failure (for fatigue), I'll only do 1 Heavy Single per exercise (Deadlift, Overhead Press, Curl). I'll train once a week and decrease frequency if I need more time to recover (if I start to lose strength or don't make gains).

I don't believe Mentzer's theory was perfect but I think he made good or at least interesting points, especially about the relations between Stimulation-Volume and Recovery-Frequency.
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Old 02-15-2009, 10:37 AM
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That is the silliest plan I have ever heard. Didn't you have a journal on this very same thing? Do you really think that you can progress doing ONE rep a week?

You need to learn some basic grandaddy laws of exericise physiology. This is why people shouldn't be getting their foundation from boob bodybuilders preaching pseudo-science.

So as I understand it..you will do one rep per movement and expect progression. But when progression doesn't happen you will JUMP to the conclusion that you need to do LESS than one rep a week. WOW.
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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.
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Old 02-15-2009, 10:52 AM
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i'm not sure of your reasoning for doing a program like that but i doubt you'll get much of anything from it. now when you say a single, do you mean a one rep max attempt or 1 rep with your 3 rep max, or 5 rep max, etc, etc.

and i'd venture to say anyone who needs a week off from 3 reps has dire conditioning issues but this is the kind mind set Mentzer's theory has perpetrated. He never addressed the concept of conditioning and instead treated muscle growth as if it lived in a vacum completely independent of all the other factors that come into play while working a program. If a trainee isnt growing the simple pat answer that HD gives you is that you're "overtrained" and need to reduce volume and/or frequency and that's it. Mike completely ignored establshed exercise science and instead substituted the shit espoused in the Weider mags as the basis for his "scientific" analyses, thereby avoiding any comparisions with the fitness/fatigue issue, DF theory, periodization and the dozens of other valid scientific concepts regarding weight training.

yeah Mike's thoughts were interesting but ultimately he was way off base on the whole damn thing.
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Old 02-15-2009, 01:17 PM
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yeah Mike's thoughts were interesting but ultimately he was way off base on the whole damn thing.
You are probably right but I need to see it by myself. I chose to test everything even if it means long period of stagnation/regression.

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Didn't you have a journal on this very same thing? Do you really think that you can progress doing ONE rep a week?
Yes I have. In fact I already made progress in 2007 with One Rep per exercise (I trained several times per week) but finaly overtrained (due to my to high frequency) it's why this time I want to try a lower frequency and eventualy a super low frequency if needed as advocated by Mentzer.

BTW I do a Single at 95-100% of the 1RM, excepted on curl where I'll train one arm with 100% and the other arm with 95% ~2RM for only 1 rep. I'm not advocating this to anyone but if you are interested you can take a look in my journal. In 6-10 weeks we should already have an idea if it works or not.
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So as I understand it..you will do one rep per movement and expect progression. But when progression doesn't happen you will JUMP to the conclusion that you need to do LESS than one rep a week. WOW.



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You are probably right but I need to see it by myself. I chose to test everything even if it means long period of stagnation/regression.
He usually is right!!! (damn him ) but why would you be prepared to go that long without progression jst to see if it will work or not?
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