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I take it an orthopedist presents a similar problem.

BTW, here is a cool page with the common knee tests.

http://www.sportsdoc.umn.edu/Clinica...m/lachmans.htm

It step by step with pictures plus vids with normal and symptomatic results. If you were to study them with your wife you could probably do them. And if you look up the individual tests and what they indicate it may help a bit.

Also check this post for some other test plus more info:

http://www.bodybuilding.net/17151-25-post.html

There are a couple other articles in here as well.

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.

Thanks Eric, I will take a look at these when I have some time to study them.

Along with Shoulder Savers by Eric Cressey here is another good one from the great folks at DieselCrew.com

Bringing Back the Shoulders Pdf.

And here is the post with Shoulder Savers again:

http://www.bodybuilding.net/22927-34-post.html

Both of these are about Pre-Hab. If you have a present injuries your needs may differ. But if you want to keep your shoulders healthy or you have already re-habbed an injury and want to help prevent a recurrence, this is the info you need.

More good stuff:

Jim Smith's report on Cressey's (and Gentilcore...he's great too) Sturdy Shoulder Seminar

Sturdy Shoulders Recap

Jimmy Smith also has a lot of rehab vids on youtube. I wouldn't suggest you just follow the routines blindly without knowing as much as possible about your problem and what you may or may not need but it is a great resourse for viewing the exercises:

DieselTube

Jimmy and Diesel Crew giving more as usual ...click on youtube at top of vid to see more info (to right of vid on youtube page).

some of those look painful....but some nice tips - thanks!

Must read:

http://www.performbetter.com/catalog...andingkneepain

It is possible for it to "feel" better but it won't BE better, if that makes sense.

Sometimes classifying injuries youself based on the guidelines here can get you into trouble. It is meant as a guideline only. But depending on the nature of the injury the pain can be very situation specific.

If you have the other symptoms of a grade two strain then don't go by the lack of pain. No type of injury hurts the entire time it's healing but if you affravate it it will hurt and probably worse than before.

Look at it this way. If you cut you finger does it hurt for a week even though it doesn't look fully healed? Unless it's in a place that is always being bumped, etc..probably not.

Good post erict. Just one question. When i deadlift my arms between were they bend seems to hurt after deadlifting or while im deadlifting. Im not sure why..didnt have that problem before. What do you think...is it my ligaments or tendons

Do you mean...elbow?

A very common habit is to deadlift with slightly flexed elbows. People do it unconciously all the time. You do NOT want bent elbows at all when deadlifting. This could be a cause of your pain so make sure you're not doing that.

You may have started doing that, if only just a bit, as the weight went up.