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dude, we are not trying to gang up on you.. it's just constructive criticism. you quote Ronnie but if you really where lifting heavy, you wouldn't be going to 12. you'd be ranging from 1-6 ish. Look at some of the stickys for workouts that have been proven to build some serious muscle, try them out for a month or two and you will see that it's not always about how much you do.

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Listen man if you saw pictures of me growing up you would appreciate my gains. I was 6'4 at 18 yearsold man and 180 pounds. I was a skinny pipsqueak and only heavy lifting got me here. I have terrible genetics as far as gaining muscle is concerned but i have been blessed with 13 inches between my legs. As far as the Ronnie Quote i lived it and it's the most true thing. Like i said in my first post it might not work for you but it sure as hell worked for me. Nothing compares to good old fashion hard work. Lifting light is for sissys, and im not 18 no more baby. Die with me.

Petrus

I think you may have come to the wrong site. Although I think we have at least one woman who may be interested, but I doubt it.

Tommy, I mean, Peter, you're not listening to what we are saying. If something works for you, then that is great, but a lot of us here have actually been that route and a whole lot of others.

The point we are trying to make, and which you don't seem to be hearing, is that what you are doing is not lifting heavy. I lift heavy. Dave lifts heavy. 0311 lifts heavy.

Nobody is talking about lifting light. Nobody has mentioned it. Except when I was trying to make a point about getting a pump. What we have said is that you have sacrificed weight for volume. You may percieve it as "lifting heavy" because you're throwing weights around way past your failure point using cheating movements and whatnot. The effort that you percieve as heavy lifting is nothing more than a funtion of fatigue. It is not your maximum ability. You could go heavier, which is basically what Dave said.

So, if you want to say high volume is the way to go, and anything else is for sissys and pipsqueaks (since you seem to be fond of those words) then fine. We will still give you dissertations, one way or the other, if we think we can help, and we can keep on disagreeing. But don't talk to us about heavy weights. It's not a talisman or a magic key. You have to define your terms if you want to make a point.

I'm glad for your gains but we are telling you, from experience, that you could be a more efficient lifter if you cut down on the volume and reps and upped the weight.

um.. stop trying to hit on me I'm not that type of guy

how many other types of workouts have you tried. hst, 5x5, agvt, gvt? Have you exhausted all resources in finding what truly is efficient for your workouts?
Like I've said, I think you could be spending a lot less time in the gym and workout more efficiently to get better gains.