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Old 04-17-2008, 10:54 AM
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Actually I watched the vid yesterday and I thought you had changed positions somewhat. Go back over the points I made and keep them in mind.

Where is that last vid? I'll look....


Ok, yeah, there is like the slightest little difference but the problem is more in positioning. I think you need to get your shins closer to the bar. They can be right up against it or just a smidgeon away. Just remember the key points I gave you before. You should be fine.

It won't do you any good to abitrarily drop you butt and try to adhere to a certain back angle. This is just one of the two problems people have...1. stiff legging it and 2. "squatting" it with their butt way down low and back up right. The proper position will be somewhere in the middle and how to find that position is based on some simple guidelines.
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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.
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Old 04-17-2008, 11:38 AM
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It won't do you any good to abitrarily drop you butt and try to adhere to a certain back angle. This is just one of the two problems people have...1. stiff legging it and 2. "squatting" it with their butt way down low and back up right. The proper position will be somewhere in the middle and how to find that position is based on some simple guidelines.
For me, I don't adhere to a specific angle. I just dropped down to my usual starting position and guessed the angle just so everyone could picture it.

Where are those guidelines posted? I don't think my form is off much (I'm definitely not doing a hack squat ) but I would like to double check
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Old 04-17-2008, 11:42 AM
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Oh, I know. I didn't mean that your were saying that there was a certain angle. It's only that people DO look at other people's angles and try to emulate them and that is a big problem...because if the geometry doesn't fit, blah blah...

The "guidelines" for what they are worth, are somewhere in Pity's journal. I'll have to look...
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Old 04-17-2008, 11:55 AM
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Actually here is the vid that Pity originally posted in which I said he was trying to get his butt too low...and consequentally his back to vertical. That's like a myth that is still widely circulated....that you need to try to get your back vertical. Won't work. I hope Pity won't mind if I re-paste the vid here

http://www.bodybuilding.net/50669-192-post.html

And here are the "guidelines". I thought I had wrote them out in a list but this is what I said:

you have to look at all the geometries coming together. If your chest is up and shoulders back, your shins not more than about an inch from the bar, your shoulders slightly forward of the bar so that it lines with the scapula, your hips as close to the bar as possible....this will produce your position. I.E. if one element is comprimised then your aren't in ideal position but if each element are in place within the limitations set by the other elements you are pretty much there. After that a little bit of wiggle while keeping the glutes engaged and putting some tension on the bar and you should feel it when it locks into place. It's hard to explain to someone without showing them in person...
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Old 04-17-2008, 12:08 PM
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Ok, I'm probably just being paranoid but I'll check my form next time I deadlift and make sure it's right. Thanks for diggin that up Eric

EDIT: I was dicking around with my form and those guidelines. Slight adjustment and I can really feel a difference. My ass was a couple inches too low . Feels like I added about 10lbs to my 1RM

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Old 04-17-2008, 01:54 PM
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Slight adjustment and I can really feel a difference. My ass was a couple inches too low . Feels like I added about 10lbs to my 1RM
yeah...instant difference...as soon as i made adjustments...i was like...this is easy. wtf
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Old 04-17-2008, 01:56 PM
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here's the first vid with the new form.

http://www.bodybuilding.net/51655-211-post.html
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Old 04-17-2008, 02:14 PM
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Instant progress. Too bad you can't just continually make adjustements and get 10 pounds
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Old 04-17-2008, 02:18 PM
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no shit.


my shins were a little far away from the bar yesterday...not sure why really...mental mis-cue. noticed it during the last set
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Old 04-18-2008, 04:52 AM
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Instant progress. Too bad you can't just continually make adjustements and get 10 pounds
I wish!!!
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