Haha

Yeah I was doing chins with about 50lbs I think at my strongest pullups were slightly less,but I aint done em in ages cos I felt even tho they got strong I didnt see much benefit on the bench from them.And my strength on rows didnt go anywhere.

That might not be the pullups fault. IME they are a very beneficial exercise, moreso than pulldowns.

Think of the lats man! Think of the lats...

IW

I cannot belive I'm reading this! I just threw up in my mouth a little.

This powerlifting bias is just getting more and more fucked up.

Powerlifting bias? Aww E forever the Drama Queen!!! J/K

I'm just saying I think I need to concentrate on Rowing more,thats all,relax guys!!

Its weird.my lats grow from chins like crazy,but seriously I cant row for shit LOL.I am basically saying that I need to get stronger at rowing.

E I am 99% sure you told me in a PM to really concentrate on rowing too!!

LOL, I'm sure I never told you to under-rate pullups though. I don't remember this pm though but I am one-hundred percent sure I would never tell someone to concentrate on "rowing strength" over pullups strength.

If giving up pullups because they don't help your bench isn't powerlifting bias it certainly doesn't make sense. Don't become vertically challenged, now. If you can chinup/pullup with plus 50 pounds then you are strong.

Probably what I told you was quite different and involved a lot of variety of rowing, etc...my record on rowing in this forum is quite apparent :biglaugh:

And it's not drama when a bad smell makes me nauseous :D

Yeah I got you E

I am not underating them tho,I just think cos I am pretty strong on them,AND I badly neglected rowing before I need to get the rows (a variety) happening.I seriously struggle to row 135 properly.Thats Lame.

OK but that's not what you said before. If you had said that I probalby wouldn't have jumped on you :D:D. I would, though, at all times, play to your strengths! If you are good at pullups but not quite so good at rows there could be worse things. Relative strength, your ability to handle your bodyweight and beyond that is a GOOD.

My take on "variety" is not so clear as saying you need to have each exercise brought up to a certain point relative to others.

This, I'm sure is something I would have pm'd you:

"I think that most people look at things like rows and lower back work in the wrong way. I see a lot of people trying to become row champions, for instance…a bad idea."

The whole idea about bringing up rows to bring up bench press comes from powerlfting circles so that's why I said it. Just keep in mind, as I've said about a zillion times, powerlifting is not concerned with "strength" per ce. Just NUMBERS on the big three competition lifts.

What I'm getting at is I see nothing wrong in general with the mindset of bringing up lagging exercises. But when it comes to these supportive things it is about progress over time. A tendency toward improvement.

My individual bias is that pullups are a STANDARD. I don't rate pullups and rows as the same. So that colors my responses of course.

But concentrating on bodyweight ANYTHING has never been detrimental to me, whereas concentrating on rows as a means unto themselves has been.

For lower back I focus on local muscular endurance and on core endurance and stabiblity in general. I don’t actually ever “move” my lower back though so I can’t be sure what you mean by that. I do row work in all rep ranges except not really singles and doubles. I of course don’t do “max” work on rows. But the bulk of it is in the 6 to 10 rep range. I switch rows when I plateau or stall out or just need a change. I do not plug away trying to progress on type of row for weeks on end.

And there is a HUGE powerlifting bias going on right now. Powerlfiting is great if you want to be a powerlifting but Westside has "over-marketed" itself, imho, and created a lot of strenght myths. I don't know why it is so hard for people to realize that we can learn things from their specialties without having to become "converts" to it.

how about rows and pullups...ya got 4 days a week to throw them in hops :)

This is actually what I had planned LOL,I just was saying I am crazy weak at rowing,so I wanted to bring them up and give them a greater workload/attention.I havent chinned or done pullups for a while cos they stalled a bit and I tried some different grip pulldowns.I do actually rate chins (Closegrip) as probably the best size builder in the lats, I have developed a nice V taper from getting strong on them.

Sorry guys didnt mean to make such a stir!! LOL