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Old 02-23-2009, 08:07 PM
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I think 10lb is definately too small of a jump to be practical at that high of a weight. 10lb at 500lb is only 2%. When I am deadlifting I usually keep my jumps to no less than 10kg (22lb ish) and no larger than 20kg. Thats just my experience though. I think its up to the lifter to try a few different methods and see what works.

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Humor me for a second and assume Talo made a successful pull of 495.

Now add 2% of that weight. You get 505, which is what he failed at.

The only thing that matters is the intensity. If you're lifting 96% and 2lbs puts you at 101%, you fail. If you're at 90% and adding 50lbs puts you at 99% you will complete the movement.

If you go back to Talo's original workout, assume 505 is his max (not something less), he performed 1 single at 90%, failed at 100% (could even be 105%, who knows) and then went onto some rack pulls.

Why not go for a single at the assumed 98%?
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Old 02-23-2009, 08:35 PM
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To me it would depend. If I had, at a previous date, hit 495lb then I would be tempted to go for the 505lb directly since it is a PR. If I had never hit 495lb then i would go for that first to secure the newest PR... I dunno.

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Old 02-24-2009, 03:14 AM
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Sorry, but Kane has more experience pulling singles...

All the rest of this is just "theory"..when it comes to potentiation and at these high percentages you HAVE to be willing to experiment and not go by a bunch of theories. I have missed lifts and went back "only" 10 pounds and with good rest got said missed lifts.

Some of you are getting too caught up in "percentages" and numbers versus what happens. Expectations don't matter.

BTW...I thought ya'll read Maximum Strength..

455 to 505 is a BIG jump. It is quite possible to miss a lift simply due to not enough acclimation.
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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.
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Old 02-24-2009, 06:41 AM
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Lifting above 98% won't change your potential 100% during consecutive lifts? I don't know where I got that idea. I guess I need to do some more reading.

Where do you draw the line? Doing a 790 squat to acclimate yourself to an 800 squat is retarded. 10lbs is definitely relative to the lifter.

The reason I mentioned percentages is that it was the easiest way to explain myself. And percentages are indicative of what happens.

I'm sure it's possible to miss a lift due to not enough acclimation. In the powerlifting meets I've been to, I've never seen a lifter go over 90% while warming up. Then again, you could qualify most first attempts as that last acclimation.
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Old 02-24-2009, 06:55 AM
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455 to 505 is a BIG jump. It is quite possible to miss a lift simply due to not enough acclimation.
Never read it

And yes 455 to 505 is a BIG jump. I wasn't thinking very much when doing this , just keeping up with my steady increases of 50lbs and 40lbs ( adding two 25's then taking those off and putting on two 45's )

I was doing this assuming my max 1 rep was 505lb. Kane , what your saying does make sense to me and you do have lots of knowledge when it comes to this.

Next time I do my 1Rep lift I will go to the 455 then start adding 10-15lbs at a time to see how that will help.

More singles and less of a weight jump when I get closer to the PR mark.

Also proper rest between sets. I fall victom to this when I train alone. I hate sitting around and waiting. I either don't wait long enough or I go and do something else in between. Either way it dosen't help. When training with someone it's different , the rest is there.

This particullar day I was not patient enough and that's what it comes down to. I know (staying positive here) I can hit a 505 deadlift , just need to come at it the right way.
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Old 02-24-2009, 06:58 AM
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Never read it

And yes 455 to 505 is a BIG jump. I wasn't thinking very much when doing this , just keeping up with my steady increases of 50lbs and 40lbs ( adding two 25's then taking those off and putting on two 45's )

I was doing this assuming my max 1 rep was 505lb. Kane , what your saying does make sense to me and you do have lots of knowledge when it comes to this.

Next time I do my 1Rep lift I will go to the 455 then start adding 10-15lbs at a time to see how that will help.

More singles and less of a weight jump when I get closer to the PR mark.


you should use that warmup that YOU posted in monsta's journal
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Old 02-24-2009, 07:21 AM
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I'm sure it's possible to miss a lift due to not enough acclimation. In the powerlifting meets I've been to, I've never seen a lifter go over 90% while warming up. Then again, you could qualify most first attempts as that last acclimation.
I've never warmed up with something over 90%, by the time you hit 90% you should definitely be warmed up and merely acclimating. Afterall 90%+ is when you're doing your working sets.

Like you said, most guys will go for the big lift during the second or even third attempt. Intentional or unintentional that first (or second) attempt is acclimating them.


TALO, if you're really confident that you can get 505. Try doing the warmup you did until you got to 405 but do a single at 405, 455, and 475. Then go for 505. If you've got a bit of doubt, personally I would shoot for that 495.

If you chip away 10-15lbs from 455 you'll end up with 4-5 sets over 90% and that may hinder your performance. If you're going to do that I'd start it around 475-485.

And take some decent rest times!
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Old 02-24-2009, 09:18 AM
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I agree with what Kane says right there ^^.

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me too.

We;ll see what happens in a few weeks when I do it again
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Flat bench 3*8@225
Hammer strenght military press 3x10@70 each side
Dips 3x12 ~ next week I will add weght as they are getting easier.
Db hammer press 3x8 w/ 85's and 1x6 with 106's
One arm pulldowns

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